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What school did Mark drop out of?
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12-01-2017, 07:12 PM
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12-01-2017, 07:13 PM
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McConnell has been busy buying votes in the Senate, and it appears that they have enough now to pass the bill.
The latest "convert" is Susan Collins. She got a number of concessions (i.e., bribes), including restoration of cost-sharing payments to help prop up ObamaCare.
https://hotair.com/archives/2017/12/...-yes-tax-bill/
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12-01-2017, 09:45 PM
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Just another Facist
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From what I’ve read of it, it appears to be very good to the middle class and businesses, especially mid size to small.
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12-01-2017, 10:43 PM
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12-02-2017, 12:29 AM
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12-02-2017, 12:39 AM
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No one on here who has ever complained about the national debt should be in favor of this tax bill.
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12-02-2017, 08:22 AM
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The Voice of Reason!
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I never thought I would hear anyone say that!
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12-02-2017, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
From what I’ve read of it, it appears to be very good to the middle class and businesses, especially mid size to small.
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Of course it is a good bill, JR... why do you think the liberals and anti-Trumpsters on this site who call themselves Republicans and conservatives keep knocking it and Trump?
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12-02-2017, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
No one on here who has ever complained about the national debt should be in favor of this tax bill.
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Forget here. Anyone in Congress who opposed this bill on the grounds 'the deficit will go up' are disingenuous at the core and full of sh*t everywhere else.
I specifically mean the Democrats and GOP fraud Bob Corker, the latter who made it possible for Obama to give billions --mostly in cash, for chrissakes-- to enemy Iran in the illegal and unconstitutional Nuke deal.
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12-02-2017, 09:22 AM
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But on the other hand !
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Originally Posted by reckless
Forget here. Anyone in Congress who opposed this bill on the grounds 'the deficit will go up' are disingenuous at the core and full of sh*t everywhere else.
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Anyone in Congress who voted for the bill, but less than a decade ago, they were outraged by a Democratic stimulus package increasing the debt by $787 billion, or about half the latest tax plan.
Are they not equally disingenuous and full of sh*t.
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12-02-2017, 10:04 AM
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Tax cuts are mandatory, it is OUR money. Period.
But they are only half the problem.
spending cuts are equally mandatory.
There is no reason we could not cut federal spending by at least 30%, more like 50%.
Good start, ALL member of the congress get $0 pay and benefits and all congressional budgets are the same, no matter who the congressman or senator.
ALL expenses shared by a Congressional office pool, and no travel expenses to any of them. They pay their own way anywhere they go, including to and from DC.
That should buy Health Care for about 5 million people to start.
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12-02-2017, 10:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reckless
I specifically mean the Democrats and GOP fraud Bob Corker, the latter who made it possible for Obama to give billions --mostly in cash, for chrissakes-- to enemy Iran in the illegal and unconstitutional Nuke deal.
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To use your own word this statement is disingenuous at best. We didn't "give" Iran anything other than their own money back which we froze.
Secondly, the "Obama and democrats did it so why can't I" argument doesn't hold water with me.
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12-02-2017, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
No one on here who has ever complained about the national debt should be in favor of this tax bill.
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I'd love to hear your answer as to what tax reform bill should be signed.
We'll add roughly $10 trillion in debt over the next 10 years if we don't change anything, much less add any tax cuts. Both Bush and Obama doubled the debt during their terms. This is a drop in the bucket of what they left behind.
Are you saying we should simply keep the status quo, don't give anybody any tax relief, and keep adding to the National Debt as we keep kicking the can down to the road for everybody that isn't a Baby Boomer to pay for?
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12-02-2017, 10:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
Tax cuts are mandatory, it is OUR money. Period.
But they are only half the problem.
spending cuts are equally mandatory.
There is no reason we could not cut federal spending by at least 30%, more like 50%.
Good start, ALL member of the congress get $0 pay and benefits and all congressional budgets are the same, no matter who the congressman or senator.
ALL expenses shared by a Congressional office pool, and no travel expenses to any of them. They pay their own way anywhere they go, including to and from DC.
That should buy Health Care for about 5 million people to start.
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Proper steps would be to revamp Social Security and Medicare... something this president says is off the table despite being GOP platform back in 2010 when the grand bargain talks were happening.
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