P.VAL

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Ray

Pat Valenzuela has been handicapping races his entire life...he is gonna have insight most people have never thought off. What handicapping experience do people like Caleb Keller, Christina blacker, Michelle Yu, Gino Buccola,Zoe Cadman, laffit pincay III have over P Val? None and regardless, he has insight on the way horses are traveling & the jockeys view of how a race will break down...just overall color commentary from a man who won a lot of huge races. The might not show up thing? I'm not buying, I'm sure it will be addressed in the hiring process and if he fails ? they fire him! exactly what do any of the horse channels have to lose? not to mention the fact that him saying he wants to excercise horses he realizes they are not going to pay him a lot of money. It's a slam dunk for him to be hired. I feel strongly that he will work for one of the racing channels before the end of 2014.

You're not buying the 'not show up' thing, but you're not the one hiring him.

[olddaddy]

Originally Posted by whodoyoulike

I've never understood these types of comments. When it comes to handicapping, no one (jockeys or commentators) is infallible. I've always felt they are providing their opinions as they see it. If their comments agree with my handicapping, I always feel a little better. If it differs, I always have the option of taking a second look at their selections.

In case I've misunderstood maybe you can clear my confusion. Thanks,

Jockeys are on the inside of the game and may know info that just handicappers may not be able to see and know. This could be by the type of works, the equipment used, the injuries the horse had or currently have, conversations with a familiar trainer, conversations with the barns, many things that only someone on the inside would know.

This can be valuable and profitable info that one doesnt give away as a commentator.

[Midnight Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

You're not buying the 'not show up' thing, but you're not the one hiring him.

Is your avatar or tag line or whatever it' called a quote from one of the guys on the horserace show on Esquire network?

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Midnight Cruiser

Is your avatar or tag line or whatever it' called a quote from one of the guys on the horserace show on Esquire network?

Yes, its a quote from last night's show.

[Ray]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

You're not buying the 'not show up' thing, but you're not the one hiring him.

No but I probably would and HRTV or TVG will.

[whodoyoulike]

Originally Posted by olddaddy

Jockeys are on the inside of the game and may know info that just handicappers may not be able to see and know. This could be by the type of works, the equipment used, the injuries the horse had or currently have, conversations with a familiar trainer, conversations with the barns, many things that only someone on the inside would know.

This can be valuable and profitable info that one doesnt give away as a commentator.

What would your response be if a Jockey commentator sincerely said a horse he worked is the best he has seen and this horse then loses or he doesn't like the way this horse looks and then wins? I think you have to take responsibility for your own handicapping decisions.

Getting back to the thread topic, a number of years ago I attended a live interview with PVal when he had first call on Paulson horses and found him very entertaining, personable and very likable. A friend commented that he was a "loose cannon". I don't condone behavior where he could risk the safety and livelihood of others. But, I think as a race commentator he would be very good. JMO, he understands very well the pace and positioning of horses in races.

[olddaddy]

Originally Posted by whodoyoulike

What would your response be if a Jockey commentator sincerely said a horse he worked is the best he has seen and this horse then loses or he doesn't like the way this horse looks and then wins? I think you have to take responsibility for your own handicapping decisions.

You made me think and you are correct. I've seen tv shots of commentators/handicappers in owners/trainer boxes. They never tell us the inside info they got from their encounters. That holds true to handicapping shows, seminars, books, written articles and message boards. This type of info is looked upon as money and no one gives away money.

[Mystic]

DENIED ~

"The Daily Racing Form reports that the stewards ruled that he will not be eligible for an exercise rider’s license until the expiration of his current license in October 2015."

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/pe...rcise-license/