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Old 11-24-2015, 11:35 AM   #1
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Workout rankings

Does anyone know of a website that utilizes a numerical workout factor for each horse in a race? Something like:

(in post position order)

1. 92.5
2. 87/3
3. 64.9
4. 79.8

etc.
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Old 11-24-2015, 11:48 AM   #2
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Does anyone know of a website that utilizes a numerical workout factor for each horse in a race? Something like:

(in post position order)

1. 92.5
2. 87/3
3. 64.9
4. 79.8

etc.

no clue. Using what metrics?
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Old 11-24-2015, 12:13 PM   #3
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It could be any metrics that the site uses. I am just wanting to do some comparisons regarding workout times. For instance, 1 site might use avg. of last three works, another might use works since last race, etc. The main thing I am looking for however is that they assign a numerical factor for each horse (that has worked) in a race.
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Old 11-24-2015, 12:26 PM   #4
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It could be any metrics that the site uses. I am just wanting to do some comparisons regarding workout times. For instance, 1 site might use avg. of last three works, another might use works since last race, etc. The main thing I am looking for however is that they assign a numerical factor for each horse (that has worked) in a race.
The only numbers I've seen are number of Horses who worked out that day and that Horses ranking in the bunch and the time and distance ran.

sure you already know Some trainers work their Horses hard and others don't.

I factor in workouts in sprints, maidens, stakes. not everyday routes.


Brisnet datafile list up to 12 workouts.
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I am more interested in a workout ranking of the horses in a race as they relate to every other horse in the race.
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I am more interested in a workout ranking of the horses in a race as they relate to every other horse in the race.
no, I know of no one who does that. Interesting. Have you tried it manually? you need a programmer. Good luck.
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Old 11-24-2015, 01:25 PM   #7
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For your consideration:

RDSS2: Workout Ranking (WR), Workout Speed Rating (last), Workout Form Patterns:





From the RDSS FAQs, re Workout Ratings: http://paceandcap.com/forums/showpos...4&postcount=13

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Old 11-24-2015, 04:35 PM   #8
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This is great Ted. I downloaded the software and have access to the data. What is the usual time before a data file is available. For instance, when can I expect data for Del Mar Thanksgiving Day
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There is a computer program out called COMPUTRAK -- it has a column in it that assigns a numerical workout ranking for each horse in the race.
I believe the author Rubin Boxer has posted on here.

Here is a link

http://revelationprofits.com/

it uses Brisnet and DRF files
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This is great Ted. I downloaded the software and have access to the data. What is the usual time before a data file is available. For instance, when can I expect data for Del Mar Thanksgiving Day
Carlon, SoCal cards seem to be made available by Equibase/TrackMaster the day before, so by say noonish PT tomorrow. Most other tracks are available 2-3 days in advance.

Greg, I wish I had that #2 horse Sunday. As it was, I bet the #8 to Win and the #10 to Win Place, so made a not bad profit off that Place bet.

Sometimes the Workout stuff points to overlooked gems, especially with MSW and FTS and 2TS (anyone remember Saratoga 2 years ago at the Toga Party ...?). But as often as not, for races for winners, it is hard to reliably assess horses from workouts only. As usual, mileage varies ...

Carlon, any questions/issues, just email me. Good luck on Thanksgiving (wish I was there, at DMR).

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Thanks, I see that the RDSS program also generates a workout "form pattern" which I am interested in taking a look at.
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Old 11-24-2015, 10:21 PM   #12
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Does anyone know of a website that utilizes a numerical workout factor for each horse in a race? Something like:

(in post position order)

1. 92.5
2. 87/3
3. 64.9
4. 79.8

etc.
Not a website but the EquiSim program contains workout speed figs for all of each horse's workouts. In the FV function of EquiSim you can set it up to give you the best speed of a set number of workouts back,the average speed of a set number of workouts or like I have mine set the best workout speed in the last 2 workouts where the workout was in the last 20 days.

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