Tracks closing due to heat....there has to be a better idea.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by westernmassbob

Gaslighting......another sign of being a narcissist.

I've been dealing with creeps like you for years. It doesn't bother me. It goes with the territory. However, you aren't fooling anyone worth fooling. You've been taking one cheap shot at me after another for quite a while. It's pathetic actually. You seem to actually think people don't realize it. They do. You are insulting the intelligence of some members here with this crap.

The victim act is trolling 101. Maybe a dozen years or so ago people fell for it. It's passe now.

[wisconsin]

Originally Posted by pandy

I really don't know what the temps were with this week's closings, but some of the days I've seen tracks shut down had temps in the mid 90's, with high humidity, but I still don't understand why they would not race. I've been to Saratoga many times in similar weather and I never saw any problem with any of the horses. Of course, not every horse was on lasix years ago, which might complicate things.

Horses basically jog around the track a few times and race for 90 seconds. I don't understand how a powerful animal like a racehorse can be threatened by running for 90 seconds on a 95 degree summer day, which is just normal summer weather. And it's not like there's no water around. If an athlete is well hydrated, performing for 90 seconds shouldn't be an issue. If the horse was out in a field it might run more than that.

I think it's just to ward off animal rights criticism.

A few years back I was at Ellis Park on a 100 degree zero breeze day. The barns must have been unbearable. The water hose must have been so refreshing...

[Profesor]

Originally Posted by westernmassbob

I certainly didn’t say anything about it being a major issue. What is an issue is that 1 days loss of purse money or work for all the connections can be devastating. Probably more so for those barn workers etc. I feel there can be alternatives like adding racing dates or changing the post time like i suggested. Instead of just thinking of yourself all the time TLG, why not offer up some suggestions ? You are quick to critique everyone on here but offer no suggestions or ways to make things better. I don’t know if your truly a narcissist but you definitely come across one on here.

TLG
Is aloud to critique because he knows everything

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by Profesor

TLG
Is aloud to critique because he knows everything

Originally Posted by Profesor

Class
You shouldn’t question The Little Guy he is God he knows everything

Originally Posted by Profesor

Class
You shouldn’t question The Little Guy he is God he knows everything

Originally Posted by Profesor

I always check A Serling when I play NYRA helps me narrow a race down
I just eliminate his top 3 picks ��

Originally Posted by Profesor

Yeah I needed T.L.G to tell me that.
Try to even question any of T.LGs comments and you’ll find our if he is protected or not.

Originally Posted by Profesor

I can’t reply to you because the house protects you

Aloud?

[cj]

Originally Posted by westernmassbob

I’ve seen this happen at Saratoga as well. Has any track considered changing starting post time to early morning on these predicted hot days ? It seems like a pretty easy solution. The temperatures usually don’t get dangerous until early afternoon. Huge loss to shut down for the day for all connections involved.

How much business is there going to be early in the morning? Tracks are better saving the races for another day IMO. With field sizes the way they are, missing a day isn't going to hurt anything. It might even help.

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by westernmassbob

I’ve seen this happen at Saratoga as well. Has any track considered changing starting post time to early morning on these predicted hot days ? It seems like a pretty easy solution. The temperatures usually don’t get dangerous until early afternoon. Huge loss to shut down for the day for all connections involved.

I don't know. This isn't something I have an understanding of.

feelings/opinion? Doesn't seem to be a significant problem. I don't know, you could be on to something... Your solution isn't clear to me either. A card takes 3-5 hours, so they'd have to start at 6:00am?, which seems an even worse situation for connections and handle. I could be missing something.

[lamboguy]

the tracks really have no choice but to close if the heat and humidity are at very high levels.

what has happened is that some of us remember 40 years ago when the same weather conditions would not have caused a cancellation due to heat. unfortunately, the sport now has a first-class hater in the name of Pita that wouldn't love anything more than to give this game a darker eye than it already has and gain more public opinion to paint the game in an evil way. so when you have questionable weather during the week, they are going to close for live racing, but not for training in the morning. its sad, but very true. i realize that it can inconvenience some people.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by cj

How much business is there going to be early in the morning? Tracks are better saving the races for another day IMO. With field sizes the way they are, missing a day isn't going to hurt anything. It might even help.

Exactly my thoughts.

Gotta add to field size if they re-card the races right?

I have to admit I used to love the Friday night racing in California.

I wasn’t aware of the handle drop off

[westernmassbob]

Originally Posted by cj

How much business is there going to be early in the morning? Tracks are better saving the races for another day IMO. With field sizes the way they are, missing a day isn't going to hurt anything. It might even help.

I can guarantee there will be much more business in the early morning then completely shutting down .Most of the lower level workers are not getting a paid day off in this situation.

[pandy]

Originally Posted by wisconsin

A few years back I was at Ellis Park on a 100 degree zero breeze day. The barns must have been unbearable. The water hose must have been so refreshing...

I think if it hits 100 with very high humidity, that's tough on everyone. I can understand canceling in extreme conditions. But, I've never seen any scientific evidence that racing in mid 90's temps hurts racehorses.

[Mulerider]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

You should have been at MTH for Maximum Security's Haskell in 2019. I left for awhile because I couldn't take it anymore and then went back later after freshening up. It was brutal.

I live an hour from LAD. I couldn't get the full 10-day forecast on this screenshot, but it gets hot next week...

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[wisconsin]

Originally Posted by pandy

I think if it hits 100 with very high humidity, that's tough on everyone. I can understand canceling in extreme conditions. But, I've never seen any scientific evidence that racing in mid 90's temps hurts racehorses.

Exactly. Out of a hot barn to run and get hosed down with cool water, followed by walking and another cool drench has to be better than a stifling stall.

[cj]

Originally Posted by westernmassbob

I can guarantee there will be much more business in the early morning then completely shutting down .Most of the lower level workers are not getting a paid day off in this situation.

Well yeah, no shit. But it won't be better than when they make up the races on another day at normal hours.

[rastajenk]

No, it really doesn't work that way. I've seen plenty of heat-stroked horses and it takes a big effort to get them watered down, if there is even a hose close enough, and relaxed and back on their feet. It can be a real group effort with grooms appearing from nearby barns willing to help any way they can. How many of those can be considered manageable, and how many is too many; but on a day like yesterday or the day before, some number between a few and several is a certainty on a full race card.

Most have fans in their stalls. I've been around long enough to have seen plenty of cards fulfilled on days as hot as these, and as someone alluded to earlier, it does seem like it's much more common than it was a few decades ago to cancel. But I've evolved to where I have no problem with it. Most cancelled days get made up eventually anyway.

As to morning racing: what time would be a good first post? A 9:00 race would have a Lasix window of 5 a.m. I think that would be a tough sell.

[therussmeister]

Originally Posted by wisconsin

Exactly. Out of a hot barn to run and get hosed down with cool water, followed by walking and another cool drench has to be better than a stifling stall.

They don't get water in the barn?

I suspect lasix doesn't do them any favors in the heat.

FYI, I noticed FanDuel chose to run on Tuesday during a reported 97° air temperature.