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06-21-2022, 10:37 AM
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No, you didn't.
No, you are.
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Yeah, I did and no I'm not.
P.S. You're boring me.
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06-21-2022, 02:39 PM
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#8627
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P.S. You're boring me.
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So stop posting.
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06-21-2022, 03:24 PM
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So stop posting.
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So, I'm bored with YOU and the nonsense YOU post because I'm posting? That makes about as much sense as blaming guns for murdering people. 
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06-22-2022, 05:26 AM
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What facts about reality that you and I agree are real facts about the way the world is does your world view account for but my Christianity doesn't account for, or at least doesn't account for well. I can't think of any.
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How about disease? Everything from the common cold to Covid 19. My world view, i.e., the germ theory, accounts for many of these, if not all. Christianity says that disease is caused by sin. That's bullshit.
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Christianity accounts for evil, suffering, ...
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What about the Riddle of Epicurus?
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... the existence of other religions ...
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How about the existence of any religion?
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Supernatural events simply do not occur.
Science does not need to be accounted for, i.e., it needs no explanation. Science provides explanations.
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... and differences among different denominations of Christianity.
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Does Christianity have peer review?
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But I can think of many things that the most common world views that include atheism don't answer as well as I think Christianity does, like universal supernatural claims, ...
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Supernatural claims are not universal, i.e., not everyone makes such claims. I never have.
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... universal religious experiences ...
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The same goes for religious experiences.
A delusion.
Imposed by man made laws and/or religious indoctrination.
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... near death experiences ...
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NDEs are of two kinds: (1)those reported by charlatans or(2) those reported by persons whose mental faculties have been impaired by whatever caused them to be "near death."
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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This myth is unsupported. At around the year 300 C.E. the Emperor Constantine's mother was converted to Christianity so the Emperor made it the official religion. The Emperor may have been converted himself. Prior to that Christianity was just another of many different religions tolerated by the empire.
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... the events surrounding the life and death of Jesus of Nazareth ...
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The very existence of Jesus is in doubt. Read Did Jesus Exist by G.A. Wells and On the Historicity of Jesus by Richard Carrier and the works of Bruno Bauer.
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... and our shared longing for purpose and meaning.
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Longing for something proves nothing.
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06-22-2022, 07:39 AM
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Are you feeling okay today? 
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06-22-2022, 03:51 PM
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Are you feeling okay today?
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I guess I'm feeling as well as could be expected. Why do you ask?
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06-22-2022, 04:04 PM
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I guess I'm feeling as well as could be expected. Why do you ask?
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Because you responded to a guy in a video, maybe?
Or are you expecting to hear back from him?
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06-22-2022, 04:40 PM
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Because you responded to a guy in a video, maybe?
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I think my views on his views fit the subject of this thread. I also though you in particular might like to comment on the video.
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The video has 14K views. I don't think he's going to answer all of them. In any case I'm not set up to put videos on You Tube. One of my daughters does it but I don't know how.
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06-22-2022, 04:58 PM
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I think my views on his views fit the subject of this thread. I also though [sic] you in particular might like to comment on the video.
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Oh...okay. So you're responding to a phantom, as far as this forum is concerned.
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The video has 14K views. I don't think he's going to answer all of them. In any case I'm not set up to put videos on You Tube. One of my daughters does it but I don't know how.
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Maybe your daughter can teach you...if you ask her nicely?
And, no, I have no time. Thanks for thinking of me, though.
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06-22-2022, 06:16 PM
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God created the universe and all that's in it.
God made the rules that govern that universe.
God made that universe interactive.
God inspires man to learn and understand the rules.
God gave man free will to follow the rules or go out on his own.
God allows the universe to respond to man's choices.
The world is going to hell in a handbasket because man went out on his own, stopped following the rules, and now the universe is responding. We may not understand it, but it's happening. Instead, we see the results and attribute them to randomness, things we can see and measure scientifically, etc.. but that's the result. That's not the cause. The cause is us. If we change, the results will change but we won't have a clear understanding of that either.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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06-22-2022, 07:19 PM
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God created the universe and all that's in it.
God made the rules that govern that universe.
God made that universe interactive.
God inspires man to learn and understand the rules.
God gave man free will to follow the rules or go out on his own.
God allows the universe to respond to man's choices.
The world is going to hell in a handbasket because man went out on his own, stopped following the rules, and now the universe is responding. We may not understand it, but it's happening. Instead, we see the results and attribute them to randomness, things we can see and measure scientifically, etc.. but that's the result. That's not the cause. The cause is us. If we change, the results will change but we won't have a clear understanding of that either.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Insofar as you have gone with your list, you are correct. But God did something else also -- far, far greater than what you have said: He has fixed man's sin problem, thereby restoring his redeemed people to Himself. Christianity, first and foremost, is not about rules, regulations or laws; rather it's about God graciously redeeming broken, lost, blind, spiritually dead human beings to himself, through Jesus Chirst, so that they may have a personal, intimate, loving relationship with their Creator/Redeemer.
If God, through his Son Jesus, had not redeemed a people for himself, then Christianity like all the other religions and philosophies of the world, would logically terminate in despair and a self-defeating belief system, since man has no inherent power within himself to transform his sinful nature or to even atone for is own sins. It took nothing less than God Almighty Himself, in his own infinite and inestimable worth, to take on flesh and become a man in His Son Jesus, so that he could atone for the sins of his people. It's no wonder the psalmist said:
Ps 49:7-9
7 No man can redeem the life of another
or give to God a ransom for him —
8 the ransom for a life is costly,
no payment is ever enough —
9 that he should live on forever
and not see decay.
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The Fall of Mankind became a God-sized problem that only God can fix.
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06-23-2022, 05:06 AM
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06-28-2022, 04:37 AM
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Braxton's 10th question
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If you found out today to your satisfaction that Christianity were true would accept God's authority, repent of your sins and trust Jesus as your king?
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Of course the catch in this is the phrase "to your satisfaction." Well this has not happened to me so far and I do not expect it to.
But let me rephrase the question and toss it back to Braxton.
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If you found out today to your satisfaction the Woden is the one true god (the Viking religion) and that to enter Valhalla you had to kill 100 men in battle would you sharpen your sword, join the next raiding party and kill as many Englishmen as you could?
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06-28-2022, 05:29 PM
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Of course the catch in this is the phrase "to your satisfaction." Well this has not happened to me so far and I do not expect it to.
But let me rephrase the question and toss it back to Braxton.
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Your return serve shouldn't be to Braxton's "satisfaction" either, but I didn't bother with the video and haven't encountered his views.
Woden wouldn't be metaphysically ultimate (anthropomorphic, composite, etc.), and therefore couldn't be the "one true god". There is either metaphysically ultimate God, or no god.
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06-28-2022, 10:14 PM
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Woden wouldn't be metaphysically ultimate (anthropomorphic, composite, etc.), and therefore couldn't be the "one true god".
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Are you saying that only the Abrahamic religions have the concept of one true god? I seriously doubt it.
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