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05-19-2021, 04:01 PM
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That's what I'm asking you. Pay attention.
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Moving the goalposts! Trying to shift the burden of proof!
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05-19-2021, 04:05 PM
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Once again, you're conflating legality with morality.
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Legality exists! It's written down, at least in the United States. Morality is relative.
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05-19-2021, 04:12 PM
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Proving once again that there are many immoral laws on the books.
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But which laws are immoral is just your opinion, man.
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Regarding the last paragraph -- because human nature is corrupt.
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Define corrupt. Be sure to use a dictionary that was compiled at about the same time as the Bible was written.
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And if morality is in the sphere of any physical science, then Shirely by now science has discovered the morality gene, right?
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Proving that you know nothing of genetics. If you want me to teach you then you'll have go pay me. Better yet, find a college and take a course.
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05-19-2021, 04:48 PM
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Legality exists! It's written down, at least in the United States. Morality is relative.
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No, it's absolute. Didn't you agree that it's always wrong to torture babies?
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05-19-2021, 04:51 PM
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But which laws are immoral is just your opinion, man.
Define corrupt. Be sure to use a dictionary that was compiled at about the same time as the Bible was written.
Proving that you know nothing of genetics. If you want me to teach you then you'll have go pay me. Better yet, find a college and take a course.
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Which laws are moral are grounded in objective-absolute. Don't you know, Einstein, that you cannot deny the existence of absolute truth without affirming it? 
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05-19-2021, 09:42 PM
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No, it's absolute. Didn't you agree that it's always wrong to torture babies?
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That's the outcome of evolution. We could have evolved in such a way that it's not true. Ergo, it's not an absolute.
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05-19-2021, 09:46 PM
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Which laws are moral are grounded in objective-absolute. Don't you know, Einstein, that you cannot deny the existence of absolute truth without affirming it?
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There are few truths. Such as - Newton's Laws.
- Maxwell's equations.
- General relativity.
- Evolution.
But even these are not absolute. New data could require their modification.
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05-19-2021, 11:13 PM
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Oh, how I've missed you guys.
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05-20-2021, 08:45 AM
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That's the outcome of evolution. We could have evolved in such a way that it's not true. Ergo, it's not an absolute.
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You don't know that. That's a hypothetical. You should stick with what we DO KNOW! With reality as we all know it.
So again...is torturing little innocent babies always wrong or not?
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05-20-2021, 08:49 AM
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There are few truths. Such as - Newton's Laws.
- Maxwell's equations.
- General relativity.
- Evolution.
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No, they are not absolute because they universe came into existence and will one day pass out of existence. In other words, temporal reality can never be absolutely true.
So, does absolute truth exist or not? Yes or no?
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05-20-2021, 09:41 AM
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No, they are not absolute because they universe came into existence and will one day pass out of existence.
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Not necessarily. The universe may have always existed and will always exist. Alternately, time may be cyclic. I.e., the universe may oscillate.
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So, does absolute truth exist or not? Yes or no?
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According to Heisenberg, no.
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05-20-2021, 09:48 AM
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You don't know that.
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Yes, I do.
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That's a hypothetical.
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No, it's not.
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You should stick with what we DO KNOW! With reality as we all know it.
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Sure! There is no god.
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So again...is torturing little innocent babies always wrong or not?
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They are more succulent if you torture them first. But I'll go along with it being wrong for our species.
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05-20-2021, 10:59 AM
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Not necessarily. The universe may have always existed and will always exist. Alternately, time may be cyclic. I.e., the universe may oscillate.
According to Heisenberg, no.
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Then Heiseberg's uncertainty principle cannot be absolutely true either. His very principle collapses on itself because it, too, must be uncertain.
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05-20-2021, 11:01 AM
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Yes, I do.
No, it's not.
Sure! There is no god.
They are more succulent if you torture them first. But I'll go along with it being wrong for our species.
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Always wrong? Or just relatively wrong?
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05-20-2021, 03:47 PM
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Always wrong? Or just relatively wrong?
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Frankly ... I don't give a damn!
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