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Old 10-26-2015, 03:24 PM   #481
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Secretary Clinton is to be applauded for withstanding the abusive, vicious vile spewed by the gop partisans. She handled the questions with grace and aplomb in a manner that befits her credentials to lead the United States. The outcome of the hearing revealed the negativity of the low-life republicants who cannot govern.

At the time of the Benghazi attack, a wave of enmity was engendered by the release of a video denigrating Muslims. Protests and demonstrations swept across Arab nations. The fog of war, the media’s demand for immediate answers were contributing to providing answers. The upcoming election spurred republicans to be critical of the event in Benghazi, but not to fifteen previous attacks on US embassies and consulates.

The video did play a part; militant subversives in the Arab world used it as a rallying cry . Unraveling all of the minute details with total precision is beyond the realm of possibility. The US did not/were not allowed to provide "boots on the ground" to support the Libyan revolution that toppled Ghadafi; the tea party congress denied funding for necessary security; US military support was more than an hour away in Italy and Malta while the attack was ongoing; intelligence reports from the scene were slim to none.

The attack on Secretary Clinton is reminiscent of the McCarthy HUAC hearings. Have we not learned from history?
Lay it on a little thicker why don't you...while you give us that big sigh of relief behind your back...for now anyway.

Other than partisan politics, what is it exactly that you so admire in Hillary Clinton? What exactly makes her so special in your eyes (other than what you deem her magical performance in these recent hearings)?

I'm really curious what I seem to be missing when I look at her entire career and wonder how she's risen to this point.

Again, all partisan politics aside, why do you like her?
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Old 10-26-2015, 03:28 PM   #482
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My wife said Hillary took in more money in 1 hour than she did in 1 hour all year after that debate.

CEO's do a lot of flying. she cannot fly all over the world, fly to babysit Netanyahu, Geneva , Putin and yada yada yada, keep in touch with 276 embassies. read all the e-mails. I quit a job because I traveled 3-5 days a week for the first 6 months of every year , would sit in the Hotel room answering e-mails to midnight. Get off the plane, sit in a bathroom stall taking phone calls. and get the "where are you?"

Let me tell you something else, most of the Pubs were former prosecutors. what's so hard about incarcerating a bunch of poor uneducated minorities with all white juries? Overrated, TMZ "I'm a lawyer" They tangled with a Yale lawyer, case dismissed!

The only Republican I thought was clever was that Westmoreland. The only one to have the BRAINS not to look a fool picking on some old lady.

They got some nerve telling her she was not working when they get 200 days off a year
Hey man...how does an old lady get to be president? When McCain was running, all I heard from people like you is how old he is and that we shouldn't elect him because he'll die before his 1st term is over...

Now being old is ok...gotcha...

And now you know why I don't think much of Democrats...biggest bunch of duplicitous bastards as you'll ever meet...even more so than Republicans, whom I am not too fond of anymore either.
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Hey man...how does an old lady get to be president? When McCain was running, all I heard from people like you is how old he is and that we shouldn't elect him because he'll die before his 1st term is over...

Now being old is ok...gotcha...

And now you know why I don't think much of Democrats...biggest bunch of duplicitous bastards as you'll ever meet...even more so than Republicans, whom I am not too fond of anymore either.
The Democrat answer to the McCain being too old and Hillary is not is because women live longer than men, therefore, Hillary's age is irrelevant.
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The Democrat answer to the McCain being too old and Hillary is not is because women live longer than men, therefore, Hillary's age is irrelevant.
Although McCain is much prettier.
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Old 10-27-2015, 01:12 AM   #485
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Lay it on a little thicker why don't you...while you give us that big sigh of relief behind your back...for now anyway.

Other than partisan politics, what is it exactly that you so admire in Hillary Clinton? What exactly makes her so special in your eyes (other than what you deem her magical performance in these recent hearings)?

I'm really curious what I seem to be missing when I look at her entire career and wonder how she's risen to this point.

Again, all partisan politics aside, why do you like her?
You asked for it so here it is.
As First Lady:
Headed the Task Force on National Health Care Reform
Opposed NAFTA behind the scenes although once the decision was made to go ahead, she supported that decision.


Along with Senators Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch, she was a force behind the passage of the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents could not provide them with health coverage, and conducted outreach efforts on behalf of enrolling children in the program once it became law.[158]


She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare.[159]


She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.[50]

The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome.[50]


Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.[50]


In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.[50][160]


In 1999, she was instrumental in the passage of the Foster Care Independence Act, which doubled federal monies for teenagers aging out of foster care.[160]

As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),[161] on Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997),[162] and on Children and Adolescents (2000).[163] She also hosted the first-ever White House Conference on Teenagers (2000)[164] and the first-ever White House Conference on Philanthropy (1999).[165]

In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in the People's Republic of China itself,[172] declaring "that it is no longer acceptable to discuss women's rights as separate from human rights".

She was one of the most prominent international figures during the late 1990s to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban.[175][176]

She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.[177] It and Clinton's own visits encouraged women to make themselves heard in the Northern Ireland peace process.[178]

As a United States Senator.
Following the September 11, 2001 attacks, Clinton sought to obtain funding for the recovery efforts in New York City and security improvements in her state. Working with New York's senior senator, Charles Schumer, she was instrumental in quickly securing $21.4 billion in funding for the World Trade Center site's redevelopment

She subsequently took a leading role[27] in investigating the health issues faced by 9/11 first responders,

Senator Clinton voted against the two major tax cuts packages introduced by President Bush, the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 and the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003,[40] saying it was fiscally irresponsible to reopen the budget deficit.

In 2005, Clinton and Senator Lindsey Graham cosponsored the American Manufacturing Trade Action Coalition, which provides incentives and rewards for completely domestic American manufacturing companies.[44]

In 2005, Clinton voted against ratification of the Central America Free Trade Agreement,[50] believing that it did not provide adequate environmental or labor standards.[51] In this she differed with her husband, who supported CAFTA

She cosponsored the 21st Century Nanotechnology Research and Development Act, which encourages research and development in the field of nanotechnology.[53]

She also worked with Bill Frist, the Republican Senate Majority Leader, in support of modernizing medical records with computer technology to reduce human errors, such as misreading prescriptions.[57]

Clinton sought to establish an independent, bipartisan panel patterned after the 9/11 Commission to investigate the response to Hurricane Katrina by the federal, state and local governments, but could not obtain the two-thirds majority needed to overcome procedural hurdles in the Senate.[63]

In July 2004 and June 2006, Clinton voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment that sought to prohibit same-sex marriage.[40][65] The proposed constitutional amendment fell well short of passage on both occasions.[40][65]

Looking to establish a "progressive infrastructure" to rival that of American conservatism,[67] Clinton played a formative role in conversations that led to the 2003 founding of former Clinton administration chief of staff John Podesta's Center for American Progress;[68][69] shared aides with Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, founded in 2003;[70] advised and nurtured the Clintons' former antagonist David Brock's Media Matters for America, created in 2004;[69][70] and following the 2004 Senate elections, successfully pushed new Democratic Senate leader Harry Reid to create a Senate war room to handle daily political messaging.[70]

As Secretary of State:
Clinton returned to the diplomatic scene and responded to the ongoing 2009 Honduran constitutional crisis, in which plans for the Honduran fourth ballot box referendum had led to the 2009 Honduran coup d'état, and which was becoming Latin America's worst political crisis in some years.[88] In early July, she sat down with ousted President of Honduras Manuel Zelaya, who agreed on a U.S.-backed proposal to begin talks with the de facto Roberto Micheletti government.[89]

Clinton co-chaired the high-level U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue in Washington, D.C. on July 27–28, 2009 and led the Strategic Track for the United States.

In October 2009, Clinton's intervention – including juggling conversations on two mobile phones while sitting in a limousine[95] – overcame last-minute snags and saved the signing of an historic Turkish–Armenian accord that established diplomatic relations and opened the border between the two long-hostile nations.[96][97]

In late October 2009, Clinton travelled to Pakistan, where she had staged a memorable visit in 1995 while First Lady.[29] Her arrival was followed within hours by the 28 October 2009 Peshawar bombing; in response, Clinton said of those responsible, "They know they are on the losing side of history but they are determined to take as many lives with them as their movement is finally exposed for the nihilistic, empty effort that it is."[98] In addition to meeting with Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gillani, she also staged numerous public appearances.[29][35] In those, she let students, talk show hosts, and tribal elders repeatedly complain about and criticize American foreign policy and American actions.[29][35] Occasionally, she pushed back in a more blunt fashion than usual for diplomats, explicitly wondering why Pakistan had not been more successful in combating al Qaeda "if they wanted to."[35] Member of Parliament and government spokesperson Farahnaz Ispahani said, "In the past, when the Americans came, they would talk to the generals and go home. Clinton's willingness to meet with everyone, hostile or not, has made a big impression – and because she's Hillary Clinton, with a real history of affinity for this country, it means so much more."[29]

In December 2009, Clinton attended the Copenhagen United Nations Climate Change Conference, where she pushed forward a last-minute proposal of significant new amounts of foreign aid to help developing countries deal with the effects of global warming

In January 2010, Secretary Clinton cut short a trip to the Asia-Pacific region in order to see firsthand the destructive effects of the 2010 Haiti earthquake and to meet with President of Haiti René Préval.[106]

n a major speech on January 21, 2010, Clinton, speaking on behalf of the U.S., declared that "We stand for a single Internet where all of humanity has equal access to knowledge and ideas", while highlighting how "even in authoritarian countries, information networks are helping people discover new facts and making governments more accountable."[108]

By early 2010, the Obama administration's efforts towards forging a new relationship with Iran had failed to gain headway, and the U.S. adopted a policy of adopting international sanctions against it and isolating it diplomatically in order to curtail the that country's nuclear program.[112] This was a policy more in line with Clinton's thinking and went back to disagreements she and Obama had had during the 2008 presidential campaign.[112] Clinton was put in charge of rallying support in the United Nations for these sanctions[112] and spent considerable time over the following months and years doing so.[4][113] At times Clinton suggested the possibility of military action against Iran should economic and diplomatic actions fail to deter it from its nuclear ambitions.[113]

By mid-2010, Clinton and Obama had clearly forged a good working relationship without power struggles; she was a team player within the administration and a defender of it to the outside, and was careful to make sure that neither she nor her husband would upstage him.[72][119]


In a September 2010 speech before the Council on Foreign Relations, Clinton emphasized the continuing primacy of American power and involvement in the world, declaring a "new American moment".[127] Making reference to actions from reviving the Middle East talks to U.S. aid following the 2010 Pakistan floods, Clinton said that "The world is counting on us" and that "After years of war and uncertainty, people are wondering what the future holds, at home and abroad. So let me say it clearly: The United States can, must, and will lead in this new century."[127]

Over the summer of 2010, the stalled peace process in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict was potentially revived when the various parties involved agreed to direct talks for the first time in a while.[133] While President Obama was the orchestrator of the movement, Secretary Clinton had gone through months of cajoling just to get the parties to the table, and helped convince the reluctant Palestinians by getting support for direct talks from Egypt and Jordan.[95][133] She then assumed a prominent role in the talks

As the year closed, Clinton was again named by Americans in Gallup's most admired man and woman poll as the woman around the world they most admired; it was her ninth win in a row and fifteenth overall.[156]


In mid-January, 2011, Clinton made a four-country trip to the Middle East, visiting Yemen, Oman, The United Arab Emirates, and Qatar.[160] Speaking at a conference in Doha, she criticized Arab governments' failure to move more rapidly vis ŕ vis reform in unusually blunt language, saying, "In too many places, in too many ways, the region's foundations are sinking into the sand. The new and dynamic Middle East that I have seen needs firmer ground if it is to take root and grow everywhere."[160]

The Egyptian protests became the most critical foreign policy crisis so far for the Obama administration, and Obama came to increasingly rely upon Clinton for advice and connections.[165] Clinton had known Mubarak for some twenty years, and had formed a close relationship with Egyptian First Lady Suzanne Mubarak by supporting the latter's human rights work.[165] Clinton originated the idea of sending Frank G. Wisner as an emissary to Cairo, to tell Mubarak not to seek another term as the country's leader.[165] As Mubarak's response to the protests became violent in early February, Clinton strongly condemned the actions taking place, especially those against journalists covering the events, and urged new Egyptian Vice President Omar Suleiman to conduct an official investigation to hold those responsible for the violence accountable.[168][169] When Wisner baldly stated that Mubarak's departure should be delayed to accommodate an orderly transition to another government, Clinton rebuked him, but shared a bit of the same sentiment.[170] Mubarak did finally step down on February 11 as the protests became the 2011 Egyptian revolution. Clinton said that the U.S. realized that Egypt still had much work and some difficult times ahead of it.[171] In mid-March, Clinton visited Egypt and indicated support for an Egyptian move towards democracy, but she avoided specific issues of U.S. aid and when elections should take place.[172]

By July, Clinton was assuring China and other foreign governments that the ongoing U.S. debt ceiling crisis would not end with the U.S. going into sovereign default[195] (a prediction that turned true when the Budget Control Act of 2011 was passed and signed the day before default loomed).

As the year closed, Clinton was again named by Americans in Gallup's most admired man and woman poll as the woman around the world they most admired; it was her tenth win in a row and sixteenth overall.[216]


A late April/early May 2012 trip to China found Clinton in the middle of a drama involving blind Chinese dissident Chen Guangcheng. He had escaped house arrest and, after finding his way to the Embassy of the United States, Beijing, requested an arrangement whereby he could stay in China with guarantees for his safety. After a deal towards that end fell through, he requested a seat on Clinton's plane when she flew back to the U.S. After further negotiations in parallel with the existing agenda of Clinton's trip, Chen left for the U.S. after Clinton's departure.[233] Clinton had negotiated personally with senior Chinese diplomat Dai Bingguo in order to get the deal back in place.[153] Despite an environment that had, as one aide said, "exploded into an absolute circus", Clinton managed to find a path for the U.S. that kept China from losing face and kept the overall agenda of the meetings intact.[4]

Most of the information above can be found here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton
It is an impressive, though far from complete list. I'm sure you do not think so, which is exactly why I consider it so impressive.

Perhaps you could provide us with a similar list of accomplishments for Ben Carson, or Donald Trump or whoever you think should be the next president.
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Old 10-27-2015, 01:14 AM   #486
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Hey man...how does an old lady get to be president? When McCain was running, all I heard from people like you is how old he is and that we shouldn't elect him because he'll die before his 1st term is over...

Now being old is ok...gotcha...

And now you know why I don't think much of Democrats...biggest bunch of duplicitous bastards as you'll ever meet...even more so than Republicans, whom I am not too fond of anymore either.
McCain was not only old, he was incompetent. Therein lies the difference.
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You asked for it so here it is.
As First Lady:
Headed the Task Force on National Health Care Reform
Opposed NAFTA behind the scenes although once the decision was made to go ahead, she supported that decision.

Blah, blah, blah.
What a bunch of meaningless hogwash.

Just the first two items on an endless list are nonsense. No point in going beyond those.

She headed the Task Force on National Health Care Reform, aka "HillaryCare", which was a total failure due to Hillary's refusal to compromise with anyone on anything that she wanted. It accomplished zero.

Oh, good. She was against NAFTA before she was in favor of it. How much was she paid for that flip flop?

I don't have the stomach to dig through the rest of that swill.
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Old 10-27-2015, 07:47 AM   #488
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Opposed NAFTA behind the scenes although once the decision was made to go ahead, she supported that decision.
So, she was wishy washy you're saying?

"I was opposed to NAFTA before I was for NFTA."
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Just the first two items on an endless list are nonsense. No point in going beyond those.

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I find myself agreeing with Mostpost here.

Undoubtedly over the years Hillary has indeed piled up an impressive list of accomplishments. Give credit where credit is due.

However, it also became apparent that while Secretary of State, Hillary demonstrated the Peter Principle, wherein quite clearly she rose above her level of competence.

1. Under her direction the State Department (and the CIA) failed to provide adequate protection for Ambassador Stevens.

2. Hillary showed a serious lack of judgement in her handling of Government e mails on a private server.
There are some private industries where individuals would be fired on the spot for that security breach.

For those two reasons, I believe that Hillary would experience enormous difficulty as President of the United States.
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I find myself agreeing with Mostpost here.

Undoubtedly over the years Hillary has indeed piled up an impressive list of accomplishments. Give credit where credit is due.
That list is meaningless. It is a recitation of speeches she made, Senate votes she cast, positions she supported, and conferences she attended. Voting with the majority or winning a popularity poll is not an accomplishment.

The list cites a lot of "accomplishments" as Secy of State. The reality is that the Obama-Clinton middle east policy, the main focus of her time in that office, was an abject failure. The root cause of the Benghazi controversy is the attempt of the administration to cover up that failure.
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In her testimony last week, Hillary admitted to not communicating directly with Ambassador Stevens since he was appointed about 1 year ago.

With the focus on making Syria your shining foreign policy accomplishment, how do you not talk to the Ambassador on a regular basis? With all those emails deleted I guess we will never know.

I prey they find one email between her and Stevens where Embassy security was discussed. Then she would have lied to congress and her goose would be cooked.

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Hillary says the VA health care problems weren't all that big a deal, and were blown out of proportion by the GOP for political reasons.
In her defense and given her distain for anything in uniform, I'm sure she considers any healthcare issues regarding any service member as not a big deal - she could care less.
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I prey they find one email between her and Stevens where Embassy security was discussed. Then she would have lied to congress and her goose would be cooked.
Can't happen. Hillary testified that Stevens did not have her email address.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/1...l-email-215061
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In her defense and given her distain for anything in uniform, I'm sure she considers any healthcare issues regarding any service member as not a big deal - she could care less.
I recall my grandfather had me tag along to take his world war I vet brother to the VA. I would not have wanted to stay there. Maybe it's intentional so more opt out for the Private Hospitals. That was 1975, Nothing has changed. Another publicity scam to obtain brownie points to stay in office.
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Perhaps you could provide us with a similar list of accomplishments for Ben Carson, or Donald Trump or whoever you think should be the next president.
Ben Carson has SAVED many lives. That, alone, trumps ANYTHING Hillary has done.
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