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Old 09-07-2017, 04:40 PM   #16
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I ordered a new pickup truck this morning. Had to make 3-4 decisions that all had to do with price. You know, the secondary issue.........
You're such a Texan now!
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Old 09-07-2017, 05:01 PM   #17
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I ordered a new pickup truck this morning. Had to make 3-4 decisions that all had to do with price. You know, the secondary issue.........
I hope you acknowledged, when it came to your powerplant decision, that real pickup trucks don't have spark plugs...
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Old 09-07-2017, 06:46 PM   #18
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I hope you acknowledged, when it came to your powerplant decision, that real pickup trucks don't have spark plugs...
I'd have to wait to get that option. It's coming (no pun intended ) but not for a while
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:42 PM   #19
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Just out of curiosity...does the Keeneland rate hike make it higher than all other tracks? If not, shouldn't those tracks that are higher also be boycotted? A track doesn't get a pass just because it has had a high takeout rate forever, does it?
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Old 09-07-2017, 08:11 PM   #20
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Just out of curiosity...does the Keeneland rate hike make it higher than all other tracks? If not, shouldn't those tracks that are higher also be boycotted? A track doesn't get a pass just because it has had a high takeout rate forever, does it?
that's a great point! there are certain pools that are higher from 1 track to the other, but the signal fees are not as high as Keeneland. this time around, they not only hiked the takeout, they raised up the signal fees to go with it to insure that they are a higher echelon takeout track.

i am not boycotting Keeneland, i have taken a breather from all the tracks and have not made a bet since tuesday. i like not betting so much now that i may not attempt a comeback this spring like i planned!
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Old 09-07-2017, 08:28 PM   #21
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Just out of curiosity...does the Keeneland rate hike make it higher than all other tracks? If not, shouldn't those tracks that are higher also be boycotted? A track doesn't get a pass just because it has had a high takeout rate forever, does it?
Here's a link to an article with the details.

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...-horseplayers/

Keeneland's takeout is more "middle of the pack" now, as they raised it on a couple of pools and lowered it on the pick 5.
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Old 09-08-2017, 07:28 PM   #22
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Just out of curiosity...does the Keeneland rate hike make it higher than all other tracks? If not, shouldn't those tracks that are higher also be boycotted? A track doesn't get a pass just because it has had a high takeout rate forever, does it?
Most players know to stay away from all circuits in PA due to astronomical takeout on the trifectas, pick 3's etc. Generally speaking KY circuit always had the lowest all round takeout but that is changing w/CD raising the takeout and now KEE. That's why you should boycott KEE. It will never end if you don't take a stand.
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Old 09-08-2017, 09:05 PM   #23
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Even though I have been waiting for KEE, I am also going to boycott them for what they did. Also doing the same at Los Al.
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Old 09-09-2017, 09:36 AM   #24
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I don't play them to begin with.

I have seen a number of boycott threads on here for different tracks. Has anyone been able to measure the impact?
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Old 09-09-2017, 10:57 AM   #25
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There's a Handle Updates link on the Playersboycott.org site.

In 2014, outside of the Derby, Churchill was down a solid 25% vs. the previous year:
http://playersboycott.org/handleupdate06292014.html

In 2014, Arlington was down 18% vs. the previous year:
http://playersboycott.org/handleupdateapx06292014.html

From 12-26-2010 to 03-20-2011, Santa Anita was down more than $130M vs. the previous year:
http://www.playersboycott.org/handleupdate03232011.html





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Old 09-10-2017, 11:50 PM   #26
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I guess my question is this. . . at what point, do we the horseplayer, stop worrying about the takeout, if a track like Keeneland claiming they "invest in racing's future since 1936" is raising the takeout to keep them in the game (as in level) with casino tracks around them

Or do we just boycott any track, even if we like them and do well betting them, just to prove a point. I don't see any tracks saying "the people have spoken, let us lower the rate!"
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Old 09-12-2017, 04:27 PM   #27
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I'm boycotting because:

In my opinion, Keeneland isn't acting in the best interest of racing here.

Higher takeout in the name of bigger purses has been tried before. And it has failed rather badly.

Consider:

• In 2010, during the six months immediately following the takeout increase at Los Al: On track handle was down 27%. They've since cut dates and purses. And their handle today looks nothing like it did before their takeout increase.

• In 2011, nine months after the SB1072 takeout increase went into effect for California's thoroughbred tracks: There were not only purse cuts but Santa Anita announced they were 'reorganizing' and laying off one third of their staff.

The so called racing press didn't cover it.

But the local paper in Arcadia, CA where Santa Anita is located did.

Santa Anita cuts third of staff:
http://arcadiasbest.com/2011/10/sant...hird-of-staff/

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October 6, 2011 by Scott Hettrick

The first of what is said to be several phases of severe cutbacks at Santa Anita Park will result in layoffs of about a third of the approximately 300 employees at the track.

• In 2014, Churchill raised takeout for their Spring meet. Handle outside of the Derby was down a solid 25%. As direct result: Churchill announced a 20% purse cut for their 2014 Fall meet.

The so called racing press didn't cover it.

But Maggi Moss reported it here on her Twitter account:

In my opinion Keeneland is doubling down on the same bad idea.

Why would anyone in their right mind think the results will different this time?

I'm boycotting because I believe a boycott is the best way for players to convince not only Keeneland -- but all tracks everywhere -- that Higher Takeout in the name of Bigger Purses isn't the answer and only serves to compound the many already existing problems racing faces and needs to address.

I'm boycotting because I believe a boycott is the best way for players to convince Keeneland to reverse their decision.


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Old 09-12-2017, 08:12 PM   #28
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I ordered a new pickup truck this morning. Had to make 3-4 decisions that all had to do with price. You know, the secondary issue.........
You weren't thinking too much about price/value if you ordered a new one.

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I ordered a new pickup truck this morning. Had to make 3-4 decisions that all had to do with price. You know, the secondary issue.........
Price (takeout) is one factor. ROI is where the rubber meets the road.

Last year at Keeneland my ROI was $1.38, and the year before $1.18. Not statistically meaningful with just a few hundred wagers, but Keeneland is one of a handful of tracks I show a profit at over the last decade. With all the "sharps" on the sidelines participating in a boycott this fall, I wouldn't be surprised to see my ROI unaffected by the takeout increase.

Count me out of this particular boycott.
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Old 09-12-2017, 09:36 PM   #30
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Price (takeout) is one factor. ROI is where the rubber meets the road.
I don't get it when I read stuff like this.

The price you pay for a product is always the most important factor. Only horse players ignore it like it's a non factor. The sarcastic point I was making about ordering a pickup and making price decisions was an attempt to emphasize that there is no difference no matter what you are purchasing. Yet horse players seem to never get it.
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