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Old 04-20-2015, 08:59 PM   #31
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what in the blue hell are "sheets"?


Another name for rolling papers..


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Old 04-21-2015, 07:53 PM   #32
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what in the blue hell are "sheets"?
http://www.thesheets.com/

https://www.thorograph.com/
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Old 04-21-2015, 08:11 PM   #33
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I went to their Derby seminar once back in 2002. War Emblem was not even mentioned once in their analysis.
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Old 04-22-2015, 04:45 AM   #34
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Old 04-22-2015, 08:29 AM   #35
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Upstart has #power,will have good rest,and also has a very good Sheet pattern
which points to a good race in the big race, the recent setback is a cause of concern but he worked very well the other day and scoped clean according to his trainer, Materiality has run 2 fast races on the Sheets and will have good rest into the Derby and there is no way you can toss him the negative on him is that he doesn't have a foundation.
I may have to rethink him for the underneath spots after the really good work and WinStar buying into the horse. I like his trainer a lot, but with some of the big-time conditioners having such good horses, I find it tough to Upstart on top in my wagers.
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I may have to rethink him for the underneath spots after the really good work and WinStar buying into the horse. I like his trainer a lot, but with some of the big-time conditioners having such good horses, I find it tough to Upstart on top in my wagers.

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Old 04-24-2015, 08:26 PM   #37
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I use the Sheets in every big race event.

Kentucky Derby, Preakness, Belmont, and most certainly the Breeders Cup.

The Sheets are spectacular in keeping you away from dead money horses. Horses that look good, or up and coming, will and can, look like garbage on the Sheets. And they basically red flag you to stay away. They are also great at identifying weak favorites.

At $30 to $40 clams per track, I only invest in big events. They are really only good with experienced top end horses with long running lines.
Any chance you'll share them with a fellow Lemon this year?

I'd like to sample these "sheets", just for one racing day.

Thanks.

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Old 04-25-2015, 03:33 PM   #38
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I have a lot of respect for Thorograph and their team, but without understanding the methodology and how to read patterns, they are no better than any other figure. One thing that you need to know when using them is part of their adjustment relates to how wide they are on the turn, and thus the distance traveled. With that in mind, front runners who get the lead and stay on the rail never run as far as somebody caught wide on both turns, but if you are trying to handicap a race, you better know that the big figure horse that goes 4w4w won't get to the wire first.

They have a major weakness in that they discount pace. So do Beyer and Brisnet, but for somebody who claims their performance figures are more accurate and superior, they're missing that boat completely.

Their biggest advantage, from a wagering perspective, is not in their accuracy or superiority. They market themselves as such, but they just aren't. The advantage is that their methodology requires knowledge of how to interpret patterns and project improvements or bounces, which everyday Joe just doesn't know how to do. Therefore the horses they point to do not always get bet as heavily, and therefore have better odds/wager value.

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