Donald Trump

[Tom]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

I guess Mostie using the LA Times as the know all, end all last word validates their latest poll that shows Trump ahead. 👍

mosite uses selective credibility.
He even used Bush as justifiable grounds in that post.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Yes, Clocker does have a source. And, as usual he got it wrong.

The Obama administration claims to have deported more illegal immigrants than previous administrations and they have. They have done it the right way. Previous administrations did it the convenient way.

What I said was that this administration changed the way it counts deportations.

From the LA Times:

On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's deportation statistics.

The vast majority of those border crossers would not have been treated as formal deportations under most previous administrations. If all removals were tallied, the total sent back to Mexico each year would have been far higher under those previous administrations than it is now.

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by NJ Stinks

From the linked LA Times article:

Now, the vast majority of border crossers who are apprehended get fingerprinted and formally deported. The change began during the George W. Bush administration and accelerated under Obama. The policy stemmed in part from a desire to ensure that people who had crossed into the country illegally would have formal charges on their records.


So Obama follows the previous administration in counting deportations yet you said in reply #8251 above: "Previous administrations did not count those voluntary returns as deportations."

Are you sure you don't work for FOX News? (Pick an icon.)

Illegal border crossers who were apprehended is different than those who tried to cross but were turned away, no?

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by Tom

mosite uses selective credibility.
He even used Bush as justifiable grounds in that post.

Selective credibility. That's a great phrase👍

Here's another showing Trump has closed the gap.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-catc...215514755.html

He better start worrying about the swing states

[traynor]

Something about Trump's plans that could hurt more than help him:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/search?q=Smack%...mes%3Ap0457122

Drug overdose is now the leading cause of accidental death in the US, surpassing vehicle accidents. LOTS of people--including more than a few "high achievers" who would otherwise vote Republican--are going to realize that all that talk about a wall on the southern border might actually happen, and hinder (or substantially reduce) the flood of illegal "recreational drugs" that find such an eager and ready marketplace in the US.

All this talk about illegal immigration is all well and good, but does that mean the flood of illegal drugs will ALSO be diminished?

I think at the last minute, a LOT of people who otherwise would not really care one way or the other are going to realize that their best hope for continued "recreational drug" use is a vote against Trump.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by traynor

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All this talk about illegal immigration is all well and good, but does that mean the flood of illegal drugs will ALSO be diminished?

I think at the last minute, a LOT of people who otherwise would not really care one way or the other are going to realize that their best hope for continued "recreational drug" use is a vote against Trump.

Toss in the bigger (no pun...) idea of Chris "I'm a conservative" Christie openly declaring his desire to enforce federal law over contradictory state laws as a primo candidate for A.G. and anyone remotely desiring to use both illegal and currently legal recreational drugs has no reason to like Trump on that front.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by traynor

Drug overdose is now the leading cause of accidental death in the US, surpassing vehicle accidents.

Natural selection, as per Darwin.

I think at the last minute, a LOT of people who otherwise would not really care one way or the other are going to realize that their best hope for continued "recreational drug" use is a vote against Trump.

Many people don't realize that Trump believes in big government, and that he would limit a lot of freedom, given the chance.

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by traynor

I think at the last minute, a LOT of people who otherwise would not really care one way or the other are going to realize that their best hope for continued "recreational drug" use is a vote against Trump.

What is "recreational drug use?"

A few pothead mary jane users might vote against Trump, but there are far more deadly drugs crossing over the Mexican border than grass.
America is facing a growing drug overdose crisis with crack cocaine and fentanyl causing untold social and health costs.
There may be other reasons not to vote for Trump but stopping the illegal drug flow is not one of them.

[OntheRail]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Natural selection, as per Darwin.

Agreed Here

Many people don't realize that Trump believes in big government, and that he would limit a lot of freedom, given the chance.

As for this..... Trump knows what effect Big Government has on business and it's not good. So this is your projection... an unfounded one at that.

[traynor]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

What is "recreational drug use?"

A few pothead mary jane users might vote against Trump, but there are far more deadly drugs crossing over the Mexican border than grass.
America is facing a growing drug overdose crisis with crack cocaine and fentanyl causing untold social and health costs.
There may be other reasons not to vote for Trump but stopping the illegal drug flow is not one of them.

Any drug or substance taken or used for the primary purpose of creating an altered state of consciousness.

I agree that the US is facing a growing drug overdose crisis, but that is directly related to the (very high) number of people using those drugs. If fewer people regarded the use of "recreational drugs" as part of their "individual freedoms" there would be fewer deaths from overdoses.

Nose candy has been called "the high achiever's drug" for many years. No one seems to understand that the "war on drugs" (supposedly focused on the dealers) has the peripheral effect of implicitly condoning the USE of those drugs. The "recreational drug" users are, of course, the real source of the drug problem. The dealers just provide them with what they want. No customers, no dealers. It ain't rocket science.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by OntheRail

As for this..... Trump knows what effect Big Government has on business and it's not good. So this is your projection... an unfounded one at that.

What are increased tariffs if not Big Government limiting the free market for businesses? And he said recently that he supports raising the minimum wage, granted that he flip flops on this often.

I have never heard Trump talk about protecting or extending personal freedom.

He has said that he favors the individual mandate and has indicated he would not oppose single payer. He says he would change the libel laws to make it easier to sue the media. He is in favor of the use of eminent domain for commercial use. He said he would close mosques that advocated 'radical Islam'. He flip-flops so often on gun control it is hard to say what his current position is, but he is on record as saying in the past that he was in favor of the 'assault weapon' ban.

All of the above are restrictions on personal, constitutional rights. He has also flip flopped to pro life, which many consider to be a severe restriction on rights. Last I heard, he opposes same-sex marriage, but who knows.

[barn32]

Heroin addicts don't vote, let alone know who's running.

[MONEY]

Originally Posted by barn32

Heroin addicts don't vote, let alone know who's running.

From my experience working polls in the South Bronx, I would have to disagree with you on the don't vote part of your post.

[horses4courses]

Trump addressing a mostly black audience today in a Detroit church.
Those who bothered to show up, that is. Does Trump know church is on Sunday?

[Greyfox]

Consider: An overflow room. Trump is in another room and speaking on the TV.