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03-31-2012, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by usedtolovetvg
Guide him don't handcuff him.
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Is this a thinly veiled reference to the movie Superbad?
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03-31-2012, 10:43 PM
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#137
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Is this a thinly veiled reference to the movie Superbad?
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Not my cup of tea but I must say I like Jonah Hill much better as a fat stoner instead of a thin serious guy.
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03-31-2012, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
1. Based on her PPs and her first race this year, I gave her very little chance of winning.
2. I consider Mott to be among the best trainers I have ever witnessed, somewhat conservative in how he spots horses, and having excellent judgement.
So I guess my feeling was that either he knew something I didn't or he was making a rare mistake. I guess given the trip the answer is inconclusive.
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Didn't Royal Delta's owner pay about 8.5 million for her at the Keeneland November Sale? If so, and you were her trainer, would you not possibly, as the old saying goes, "blow a little smoke up your owner's butt"?
Maybe that new owner will get it all back when she becomes a broodmare.
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03-31-2012, 10:54 PM
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#139
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Originally Posted by Grits
Didn't Royal Delta's owner pay about 8.5 million for her at the Keeneland November Sale? If so, and you were her trainer, would you not possibly, as the old saying goes, "blow a little smoke up your owner's butt"?
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I think Mott saw this for what it was. A relatively uninspiring group of horses and a monster purse, where even if she doesn't win, she has a chance at banking some serious coin.
So why not take the shot?
It's good to see a little Lukas in Mott every now and then...
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03-31-2012, 11:08 PM
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I regret repeating the saying. Its crude.
There's Lukas in all of us. If not, life would be pretty boring.
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03-31-2012, 11:28 PM
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Mott still savours his first trip there with Cigar.That was huge and it was during Cigar's long winning streak.
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04-01-2012, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by v j stauffer
No one is saying it's not a joy to watch the thrilled exuberance of a 19 year old.
However, unlike all the sports and examples you listed, those flamboyant characters were not competing in a sport where the players are literally responsible for each others lives.
It's cool until something happens and something will inevitably happen.
To make that ameturish move at that point of the race was simply put careless riding. A jock with the talent to win a race of this stature is also accomplished enough to know how dangerous what he did was.
At the end of a grueling mile and a quarter with both he and his mount tired just the slightest shift of weight could have spelled disaster. The horse could have ducked out from under him reacting to something he'd never experienced. Worse yet he could have had a bad weight shift when fatigued and injured himself. Whos's to say he didn't? His eqipment could have broken as well.
I'm pretty sure the Nick Notle character on Luck was based on Charlie Whittingham. Just whipping a horse at the wrong time cost the Irish Girl the mount on his good horse. Can you imagine how he would have reacted to that kind of selfishness?
Jockey's are responsible to take care of their mounts and fellow riders. That kid dodged a bullet and may again but it only takes once.
Cordero, Borel and especially Dettori have been very flamboyant and great for the game. But their histrionics have almost always been long after the race mostly out of harms way. Though, even Lanfraco's dismounts have caused some dangerous moments.
Hate to sound like a fuddy duddy. I feel as much passion about our game as anyone. For jockeys though that passion MUST take a backseat to safety first. Always.
He'd be in my office the next morning and looking at a $200 fine. Talk about peeing on a forest fire
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Sharp post.
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04-01-2012, 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
(it wasn't really run the first time around, now was it?)
Then kill the sport entirely. Horses are obviously made out of glass and should not be racing. PETA is right.
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Check the replay of the first run of that race: except for Fox Hunt (who went at ~33 sec), the other horses were RACING... for almost a third or more of the race distance. Having had them run at a good clip already, asking them to go out and RACE again for the marathon 2 mile just a few hours later, is a little too much to ask for, isn't it? A sharp workout of 4F or so and then a full race few hours later - wow!
There is a big difference between a false start and half run race.
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04-01-2012, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom
Maybe one would have a clue if they had been reading the thread.
Don't worry, not having a clue is allowed here.
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I've been reading your posts for years.
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04-01-2012, 09:34 AM
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And then there were three. GRAND VENT has become the third victim of the ill-starred Dubai Gold Cup at Meydan.
The Godolphin stayer was pulled-up in Saturday night's race, which was restaged after being declared void when stablemate Fox Hunt suffered a fatal injury at the top of the straight.
-- http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...y/1009185/top/
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04-01-2012, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by FenceBored
I've been reading your posts for years.
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I am available on Cliff Notes,if that helps.
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Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
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04-01-2012, 11:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
I am available on Cliff Notes,if that helps.
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I saw you on a old episode of America's Funniest home Videos last night. It's the one where the video shows you throwing a shovel full of snow in your sister's face. And when your Dad immediately asks why you did it you reply, "I didn't do it."
Some things never change. Belated congrats on the $10k prize.
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