This doesn't sound good (for Servis and Navarro)

[Suff]

Racing universe is circling around the “good guys” like Graham Motion.

No offense Graham, but you gotta go too. Thoroughbred racing needs to be gutted. Everybody who’s made money needs to go.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by Suff

Racing universe is circling around the “good guys” like Graham Motion.

No offense Graham, but you gotta go too. Thoroughbred racing needs to be gutted. Everybody who’s made money needs to go.

So the guy who has been honest, racing against dishonest trainers, needs to go b/c he's made money?

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

I didn't say Dortmund's form fell. That's just how I remembered the owner. Kaleem Shah was his name, I think? Candy striped silks, I remember.

A bunch of his other horses started losing. I kept track for awhile.

And now many of his stock or winning again, is it juice as well or talented stock?

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

And now many of his stock or winning again, is it juice as well or talented stock?

Different horses

[Suff]

After equibase sells us corrupt figures

And after racetracks rake the take

And after trainers and owners collude at the windows

And after every one in the business wets their beak.

Then, if I’m lucky enough to hit bingo.

It time to donate.

.


Every cashed ticket —- don’t you know. Not once a day but every single ticket you cash.

From Chad Brown on down... everything & everyone needs to go.

Its William Wallace time——Burn It.

[Suff]

Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike

So the guy who has been honest, racing against dishonest trainers, needs to go b/c he's made money?

Yes.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by Suff

Yes.

Illogical.

[thaskalos]

Suff...I think you should stick to taking pictures.

[Mulerider]

Would having a centralized dispensary at the track though which all medications must be purchased with a vet prescription do any good?

[johnhenry81]

Originally Posted by Suff

After equibase sells us corrupt figures

And after racetracks rake the take

And after trainers and owners collude at the windows

And after every one in the business wets their beak.

Then, if I’m lucky enough to hit bingo.

It time to donate.

.


Every cashed ticket —- don’t you know. Not once a day but every single ticket you cash.

From Chad Brown on down... everything & everyone needs to go.

Its William Wallace time——Burn It.

good grief Suff, William Wallace? How did that end for WW?

[Suff]

I knew. I had a rough sketch of what was going on. Go into my gulfstream pic thread. See here.

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...155672&page=17

If I knew, they all knew.

[big frank]

The owners are always let off the hook........if the horse you own comes up positive , then the owner should be fined and given a suspension.............don't insult us West ! You never had an idea Servis was doing anything wrong ? Give me a break.......it's obvious this guy has been juicing and if you didn't know that you are not being honest ! There are certain owners who employ these juice guys for years....... A guy like Dubb in ny has had at least 5 trainers and they all were juice guys....Maybe Dubb has a juice vet on payroll....There are certain owners who use a revolving door of juice guys and they always win at high rates ! Rockingham-Hronis-Dubb--drawing away stables--gary barber--end zone athletics--Bone---flying p stable--jagger inc--ron paolucci--just to name a few

[PaceAdvantage]

So can someone spell out for me exactly what that building is that Suff circled? What is its "official" purpose.

[ctownraces@bp]

Originally Posted by AltonKelsey

yep


thats why juicers prefer speed types





old news, at least to me

Look at who ever trains for Robert Cole Jr. great example in my book. David Wells Kevin Patterson always speed. Always have thought Cole was one of the biggest druggers in racing not facts just my opinion. Look at his numbers.

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

I love when people try and point to Hong Kong as the model and think why can't that work over here?

You are correct, that model won't work here as presently constituted and even when not as presently constituted...... too many things are ENTIRELY different and will remain so.

But there are a few things we could look at. There are always some good idea that can be taken away from other systems.

No claiming races for instance, for me, would be a good thing. That is JMHO.


IF somebody prefers the Hong Kong model then my suggestion is to play there. Importing that system to here is not going to work here at all. It's really such an entirely different model.