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01-16-2023, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by lex
Trump worked with officials but clearly didn't give everything back so that's one difference. Biden had documents for 6 stinking years and that's another difference. Both sides have said they could have been planted to that is either absurd or possible on both sides I guess. Biden clearly has classified documents so that's absolutely the same and should be treated the same if there are any charges to be filed.
I think the part everyone skips over is what on earth is going on with WH staff or is the the GSA that oversees this stuff? Not sure of the alphabet agency. Classified stuff gets tracked so how is it walking out the door? The records act should mean that there are people in charge of all of this stuff when someone leaves office. Are Presidents and VPs just packing stuff and telling people to send it off with no checking when they claim this records act is so serious?
I think the records act on the one hand is a bit much on some stuff but I really don't want these people to be able to just take stuff that they decide the public shouldn't see either. If you worked in a store you'd be bag checked every stinking time you walked out the door. It's starting to look like there's tons of this stuff floating around with every former occupant because no one cared until it was useful to them. Sort of like how they don't really hunt down people who haven't filed FARA paperwork because it gives them an excuse down the road to investigate them.
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There is no similarity between Trump's and Biden's possession of classified documents.
Trump's documents were legally taken and not returned at the end of his presidency.
Biden was not allowed to posses the documents outside of the viewing area, so Biden's documents were obviously stolen.
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01-16-2023, 03:38 PM
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We have no idea if Trump's were "legally" taken but that's not even my issue. After the Biden stuff I'm assuming everyone has stuff since there seems to be no rhyme or reason to what leaves the WH and how.
None of this makes any sense. They let this stuff go on with Trump for over a year. Told him to lock stuff up. Why? Why not just take the stupid documents? It's like they wanted him to fight and for what followed.
And now with Biden why are they letting his people look? These classified docs should have been noticed as missing for years. Why aren't the same people who worked with Trump, whatever that means, helping with the looking? Biden shouldn't be at the raid portion of this show but he should be getting that treatment.
Which brings us back to this has gone on forever and they decided to make an example of Trump. Not sure if the Biden stuff is them wanting him out or realizing that his lawyers finding stuff could leak so they now have to figure out a way save face. I think the DOJ, archives and whoever runs the WH are seriously annoyed that a couple of lawyers found this stuff and reported it .Now they have to pretend like they care and this has always been super important.
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01-16-2023, 03:53 PM
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TRUMP by being president could declassify anything he wanted without telling anyone. Biden was not president when he stole the secret documents.
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01-16-2023, 03:57 PM
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If the media were biased the other way, they'd be pondering that Biden stole these documents to give to Hunter to help him afford his crack + Russian whore lifestyle...
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01-16-2023, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by davew
TRUMP by being president could declassify anything he wanted without telling anyone. Biden was not president when he stole the secret documents.
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I really don't want to hear this excuse since so far that's just something he's instructed his hacks to say. It has been noticeably missing from all court filings. And declassified or not these documents belong to the archives and not him.
The fact that they just let Trump keep these things is ridiculous if that's what happened. What on earth is the negotiation about? Just take the stuff and let him request anything he needs. This document stuff came out pretty early after he left and of course Trump had to make it a fight but this all stinks.
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01-16-2023, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by lex
I really don't want to hear this excuse since so far that's just something he's instructed his hacks to say. It has been noticeably missing from all court filings. And declassified or not these documents belong to the archives and not him.
The fact that they just let Trump keep these things is ridiculous if that's what happened. What on earth is the negotiation about? Just take the stuff and let him request anything he needs. This document stuff came out pretty early after he left and of course Trump had to make it a fight but this all stinks.
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Barry Obama/Soros has thousands of pages of info in his possession. No one seems to care about that.
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01-16-2023, 08:09 PM
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Yup. It seems the records act is only a big deal if it can be weaponized and it either came back to bite them with Biden or they've weaponized it against him.
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01-18-2023, 07:48 AM
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OMG, VPs do have the ability to declassify anything ... according to article in USA Today. Their fact-check work is supported in part by a grant from Facebook.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...967969b54574b7
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01-18-2023, 08:48 AM
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PA Steward
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Originally Posted by davew
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I love the media.
Desperate to find something to report that might given Biden some "outs"
While equally desperate to downplay that very same "out" for Trump months ago... 
Not biased at all...not a dead country at all...LMAO
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01-18-2023, 12:48 PM
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Former top FBI official spills the beans when he advises Biden's DOJ to obstruct Congress on Biden classified docs
https://www.theblaze.com/news/former...lassified-docs
In other words, the "special counsel" card is a nifty little legal strategy that can be used to circumvent or short-circuit constitutionally-authorized congressional oversight/investigation. Cute.
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01-18-2023, 04:35 PM
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Clyburn saying that criminality depends on INTENT ... is that the new demon rat definition of law?
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01-18-2023, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by davew
Clyburn saying that criminality depends on INTENT ... is that the new demon rat definition of law?
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01-18-2023, 07:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davew
Clyburn saying that criminality depends on INTENT ... is that the new demon rat definition of law?
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I feel we are going to see a lot of "No Intent" reasons why no law was broke. During the SBF interviews he drills "No Intent" or knowledge of anything. New loophole.
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01-18-2023, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisl
I feel we are going to see a lot of "No Intent" reasons why no law was broke. During the SBF interviews he drills "No Intent" or knowledge of anything. New loophole.
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01-19-2023, 01:58 AM
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