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44PACE · 02-04-2007, 10:11 PM

Lets all give Bear fans a pass. It is not their fault that they have an idiot for a head coach who can't see how dreadfull Grossman is. He is one of the worst of all time. It may be time to bring back Bobby Douglaus.

Dave Schwartz · 02-04-2007, 10:11 PM

Seriously.

dylbert · 02-04-2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 44PACE

Lets all give Bear fans a pass. It is not their fault that they have an idiot for a head coach who can't see how dreadfull Grossman is. He is one of the worst of all time. It may be time to bring back Bobby Douglaus.

Lovie Smith is far from idiot. He has been excellent leader for Bears' team that was in shambles when he took over as head coach.

Grossman does have his shortcomings. But, he did have 15-3 record going into Super Bowl as starting QB.

Bears will have very competitive team again next season.

melman · 02-04-2007, 10:38 PM

Come on guys give it a break, how about the Bears defense not being able to stop the Colts. The Colts were on the field ALL the time and out rushed and out passed the Bears by a large margin. If you have to take a shot at Grossman go ahead but coach Smith is far from an "idiot" taking his team to the SB. The Bears DEFENSE was just not up to the task and altough I agree Grossman did not play well his DEFENSE hardly gave him many chances. It was a clear cut Colts win.

Steve 'StatMan' · 02-04-2007, 11:21 PM

Well, 44Pace! You're still alive! You actually did not get 'bored to death' by the Colts/Bears Super Bowl!

Colts played great, and with their improved defense in the playoffs, and strong play tonight, clearly deserved to be the winner tonight, and be the Super Bowl Champs.

The Bears didn't adjust to those short passes to the running backs, the tight end across the middle passes, and the running game. (They couldn't stop, I think it was Steve Smith of Carolina last year, either. Was he a tight end too?)

And, yup, can't have the quarterback fumbling snaps in the Super Bowl, esp. twice! Bears got a big break with the immediate lead, but then got outplayed. Colts gave up some turnovers, and the Bears gave the breaks right back.

Oh well. I'm glad the Bears at least got to the Super Bowl. Was afraid some of those losses and near-losses when the 'Bad Rex' showed up would cost us the chance to get there.

I should admit to our friend 44Pace that I'm used to rooting for teams that don't win the Super Bowl.

I grew up in the Quad Cities, IL, far away from Chicago, and while many of the locals were Bear fans, that was back when I was a disappointed 9 year old when my first favorite team, the Baltimore Colts of Tom Matte & Johnny Unitas lost to the NY Jets. (My next birthday cake from a nice bakery had a football theme, but the cake decorator even put a Jets over Colts winning score on my birthday cake! LOL now, but not then! (But was so thrilled when they won 2 years later.)

Then my next favorite team became the Vikings, of the Purple People Eaters (Marshall, Larson, Page & Eller), Joe Kapp, Dave Osborne, Bill Brown, Fred Cox, Gene Washington, Mick Tinglehoff, Chuck Foreman, etc. Highs and lows the 4 times they great seasons and got the the Super Bowl, but never could win the last big game. Bears back then, gads, yeah those Bobby Douglas Bears teams stunk. Still have all my old Football (and Baseball) Cars, and I still have a rather large pile of 1970-1975 Viking cards, and the smallest number of Bears cards which were the ones my friends often wanted when we traded.

I graduated and eventually found a job and moved to Chicago, where after a couple years, I got intested in the Bears in 1983 when they were starting to improve, and all my new friends in the new town were so excited at their eventually improving team,, and I now lived in the local media market. (Sadly, the Vikings started to cut their losses, first by losing much earlier in the playoffs, and the last few years, sadly coming unhinged in the last few weeks to often avoid the playoffs entirely - like front running C5,000N2L's that lead until the furlong pole, then start looking around for the horse they were expect to pass them in the stretch as 'normal'. Sad to see teams start so well and then it's like they bleed through their Lasix or something. Maybe someday they can overcome that.

Oh well. Last year I thought the Bears were roughly 1 year away from being worthy of being in the Super Bowl. They got there this year, and thankfully didn't throw that chance, and the NFC Championship away. Hopefully they'll learn a lot more from this experience, find more of those weak spots and fix them.

Hopefully Rex will solve the sudden self-destruct problems (I think it's just a little bit more concentration and situational awareness when the blitzes and scrambling happen. Rex is talented, we all knew it here and were having to wait through 2 priior years with him getting hurt and sidelined, hurting his chance to live up to (and prove out) his potential. So, this seaon, despite the ups and downs, had to help him learn a lot. Hopefully with the full season under his belt, he'll get even better. But I do wish they had given Griese more snaps. Always have to be prepared to injuries or other problems. I frankly think teams should regularly play 2 quarterbacks throughout the season to keep them both ready and sharp.

Lovie Smith, sure seems like an overall great coach. Tony Dungey can only coach one team at a time, so then, hey, I know I'd gladly take and keep Lovie Smith coaching for our team (he was an assistant under Dungey).

Hope the Bears can play as well or better next year. Hope they come back a little stronger next year if they do get to the Super Bowl - otherwise, if the Colts make it back again, and keep playing as tough as they did in the playoffs, it might end up the same way.

Well, Dennis Green and the Cardinals knew who the Bears were, but he let them get away. Bears were good enough to get to the big game, but the Colts knew who the Bears were tonight and actually did stop them in the big finally.

Still a great season, and nice to have been to the playoffs last 2 years, and at least TO the Super Bowl again.

Have to win the Super Bowl to be the Super Bowl champs, but you DO have to win a LOT of games, and the critical playoff games, just to get there.

Frankly, I still think Andy Reid of the Eagles is a great overall coach. Made the playoffs, what, at least 5 years in a row?

Marv Levy and Buffalo. 4 Super Bowls in a row. Didn't win any of them, but a damn good coach and team.

Bud Grant - got the Vikings to 4 Super Bowls. Didn't win any of them, but damn fine jobs getting good winning teams, and getting to the big dance.

rastajenk · 02-04-2007, 11:41 PM

The gap between the AFC and the NFC is growing wider. These things are cyclical, in the age of parity you'd think it couldn't happen, but it does and it is. No matter if Grossman improves next year or if the Bears go a different direction at QB, they're not winning a Super Bowl very soon. Like Seattle last year, they used a weak division to get home-field thru the playoffs, but there are a half-dozen AFC teams that could have manhandled them like the Colts just did. It would only take a little improvement from their division rivals to make real the possibility they don't even make the playoffs next year.

bigmack · 02-05-2007, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve 'StatMan'

I graduated and eventually found a job and moved to Chicago, where after a couple years, I got intested in the Bears in 1983 when they were starting to improve,

As an ex-Chicagoian I enjoyed your post Stats, thanks

Steve 'StatMan' · 02-05-2007, 12:41 AM

Thanks BigMack! I enjoy your posts too! (Although I usually get the Double Quarter Pounders at Mickey D's -sorry, I couldn't help it, friend! I didn't mean for that to be a Big Mack Attack)

Steve Miller (the handicapper, not the band)

Valuist · 02-05-2007, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by melman

Come on guys give it a break, how about the Bears defense not being able to stop the Colts. The Colts were on the field ALL the time and out rushed and out passed the Bears by a large margin. If you have to take a shot at Grossman go ahead but coach Smith is far from an "idiot" taking his team to the SB. The Bears DEFENSE was just not up to the task and altough I agree Grossman did not play well his DEFENSE hardly gave him many chances. It was a clear cut Colts win.

I disagree with this. I would say the Bears front 4 on D did not play well but not the rest of the defense. Grossman was singlehandedly responsible for one of the TDs, not to mention the other turnovers. The problem was the Bears D was on the field for over 80 plays. The Bears return the opening kickoff for a TD and their other touchdown was a 4 play drive when Jones had the 52 yard run. To be on the field for over 80 plays against that offense and really only give up one big play (the TD to Wayne) was solid. The front 4 did get manhandled by the Colts O line but the rest definitely stepped up. This could've been a 50-17 type game very easily.

blind squirrel · 02-05-2007, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 44PACE

Lets all give Bear fans a pass. It is not their fault that they have an idiot for a head coach who can't see how dreadfull Grossman is. He is one of the worst of all time. It may be time to bring back Bobby Douglaus.

look it's REX'S second year[i think}....this BEARS team will be back
in the playoffs.....how many people were knocking PEYTON prior
to last night....DA BEARS!

The Judge · 02-05-2007, 08:15 AM

This was a ugly win, you can't mention this Colts team with past Super Bowl winners. I can't think of one past Super Bowl team that this Colts team would have beat playing the way they did last night. The Bears were willing victims and yes Grossman killed them he should have been pulled.

melman · 02-05-2007, 08:39 AM

Valuist

The Bears defense was on the field for over 80 plays. Now just who's fault was that> Grossman's?? If you want to break it down to the front four that's fine but they are part of the overall defense, which IMHO did not play well. Look at the passing and rushing stats.

cj · 02-05-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by melman

Valuist

The Bears defense was on the field for over 80 plays. Now just who's fault was that> Grossman's?? If you want to break it down to the front four that's fine but they are part of the overall defense, which IMHO did not play well. Look at the passing and rushing stats.

Grossman is a big part of that. Besides the turnovers, first downs were a rarity for the Bears.

Murph · 02-05-2007, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Judge

This was a ugly win, you can't mention this Colts team with past Super Bowl winners. I can't think of one past Super Bowl team that this Colts team would have beat playing the way they did last night. The Bears were willing victims and yes Grossman killed them he should have been pulled.

That was a beautiful victory!

The Bears were outmatched on both sides of the ball. I'd say you gentlemen should get used to it. This will not be the last time you see our Indy Colts team winning the super bowl. It would be nice to see just one of you Colts haters step up and admit they are the best team in the league. They proved it convincingly in every playoff game along the way.

It is very difficult to dispute the stats posted in the big game, let alone the fact they won it (and covered!). Any excuses made for the Bears loss looks kind of lame today. The best team won and they beat the best the NFC had to offer. The Bears brought all they had and left it on the field, my hat is off to them.

What more should the Colts have to do after doing all it took to win this game? Maybe when your favorite team is scrambling to go with a lighter faster defensive unit will do it for you. I doubt it though, some minds are made up and won't change no matter what they see with their own eyes.

Congratulations to the Indianapolis Colts - SB XLI Champions! Indianapolis, the fans and our team deserves this championship totally. Just look at the facts.

Murph

Bubbles · 02-05-2007, 12:59 PM

The Colts simply outplayed the Bears last night. That's not in dispute. I'm glad Manning finally got a ring, now maybe the skeptics will find something else to moan about.

In regards to how long the Colts will stay on top, the answer is until Marvin Harrison retires. He's got a few years left, but anyone that thinks Manning can just double the looks to Reggie Wayne and still guide the Colts to Super Bowl glory is kidding themselves. Clark and Utecht did not play particularly well last night, and the defense, while solid in the playoffs, was very, VERY inconsistent in the regular season. They've got an efficient backfield in Addai and Rhodes, and a very good offensive line, but when Harrison retires, I just don't see the offense functioning nearly as well.