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09-13-2012, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by newtothegame
You claim Mack has no compassion for the children and yet it is YOU who is taking up for the teachers who are graduating one of the lowest rates in the country and have something like 80% plus of the ninth graders there who can't read......
I am really starting to wonder who truly cares about those kids...Mack who wants those UNDERPERFORMING teachers of CHILDREN held accountable or YOU who wants to give them more benefits????
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No one is denying that there is a problem. The solution isn't as easy as teacher bashing. That gets us nowhere.
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09-13-2012, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Actor
Do you now? I take it you have been a teacher?
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Let's see how he answers this one.
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09-13-2012, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
No one is denying that there is a problem. The solution isn't as easy as teacher bashing. That gets us nowhere.
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We get it, you're here to VEHEMENTLY DEFEND teachers.
Now what?
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09-13-2012, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by schweitz
My opinion:
There is NO excuse for teachers to EVER go on strike.
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In a perfect world.
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09-13-2012, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Originally Posted by [b
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No one is denying that there is a problem. The solution isn't as easy as teacher bashing. That gets us nowhere.
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Originally Posted by bigmack
We get it, you're here to VEHEMENTLY DEFEND teachers.
Now what?
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Did I say that I was here to VEHEMENTLY DEFEND teachers? Reread my quote that you replied to. Are you one of those fourth graders who can't read? This could explain your anger here.
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09-13-2012, 04:05 PM
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This could explain your anger here.
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Anger? Koch Bro's? Not caring for kids?
You're straight out of Dr. Seuss book.
Do you agree with the strike or not?
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09-13-2012, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Actor
You mean hire scabs?
We're not talking about hiring people to shovel manure. Why are these unemployed teachers unemployed?
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Are you a little out of touch with the economy and the number of people that are out of work? I know plenty of friends with masters degrees in education that are going to job fair after job fair, and people are literally scalping the numbered tickets they get in order to get into the fairs quicker. There aren't enough jobs in schools right now for all the unemployed teachers. But you sound perfect for what an unemployed person needs, thinking just because they are unemployed that they are a scab. If you know even 1% about the education industry it is that the number of teachers at a school is based on the number of kids coming into a school within the districts boundaries. So, when there aren't enough kids coming into a certain grade level, the school would have to let go of some of those "scabs" that have actually had their students test very well, only because there is a shortage of kids.
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09-13-2012, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
In a perfect world.
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In any kind of world.
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09-13-2012, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by bigmack
Anger? Koch Bro's? Not caring for kids?
You're straight out of Dr. Seuss book.
Do you agree with the strike or not?
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I'm not close enough to the Chicago situation to know for sure. What I do know is that the teachers all over the country are being blamed with an unrealistic expectation that so happens to help the Republican party not our kids.
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09-13-2012, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Actor
You mean hire scabs?
We're not talking about hiring people to shovel manure. Why are these unemployed teachers unemployed?
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Many are unemployed for the same reason that many more people would be unemployed if the Minimum Wage were raised to $20hr.
When Union pressure pushes up wages well beyond what they should be, given the tax base, the demand for labor goes down in Unionized industries, creating a glut in non-unionized industries.
Those "Scabs" are just the side effect of overpriced union labor. That's the real class warfare. Those on the inside, and those on the outside looking in.
Let's also consider that gov't workers, in this case teachers, don't really pay taxes, as their salaries ARE taxes.
If a teacher didn't get taxes taken out of his check, the government would have more money; if a private sector worker didn't, the government would have less.
See the difference?
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09-13-2012, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
What I do know is that the teachers all over the country are being blamed with an unrealistic expectation that so happens to help the Republican party not our kids.
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Uh huh. That's pretty much what I figured.
Listen, I'm gonna get back to planet Earth now.
As mentioned, ba bye. Best of luck to ya.
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09-13-2012, 05:40 PM
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Privatize teaching and tie a family's welfare check to how well their children are doing in school. That should motivate each side
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09-13-2012, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by badcompany
Let's also consider that gov't workers, in this case teachers, don't really pay taxes, as their salaries ARE taxes.
If a teacher didn't get taxes taken out of his check, the government would have more money; if a private sector worker didn't, the government would have less.
See the difference?
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What you posted makes no sense at all.
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09-13-2012, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Actor
What you posted makes no sense at all.
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The point is that a public sector worker is more expensive to taxpayers than a private sector worker making the same amount.
That's why public sector workers should be paid less, and, in fact, they were, until Unions took over.
I'm far from an expert on the Chicago Educational System, but, I'd venture a guess the class sizes are very large as a result of the bloated teacher pay.
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09-13-2012, 09:29 PM
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The point is that a public sector worker is more expensive to taxpayers than a private sector worker making the same amount.
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That makes no sense at all. Taxpayers don't pay private sector workers.
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