Larry Elder gets it right

[JustRalph]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...sm_124926.html

Selling Kids racism.............

[_______]

I hesitate to post anything in a hot topic like this but I can't ignore the statistic he cites in his first paragraph.

140 blacks killed by cops in 2012 vs. 386 whites.

Blacks are 14.6% of the population while whites are 63%. 140 is still a disproportioned number for their population. It's odd he cites the statistic without any further comment.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by _______

I hesitate to post anything in a hot topic like this but I can't ignore the statistic he cites in his first paragraph.

140 blacks killed by cops in 2012 vs. 386 whites.

Blacks are 14.6% of the population while whites are 63%. 140 is still a disproportioned number for their population. It's odd he cites the statistic without any further comment.

So? Anyone know what the race-ethnic breakdown of the prison population is throughout the prison systems in the U.S.? I would lay odds that that statistic would be disproportional to the U.S. population as well.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by boxcar

So? Anyone know what the race-ethnic breakdown of the prison population is throughout the prison systems in the U.S.? I would lay odds that that statistic would be disproportional to the U.S. population as well.

Even more out of proportion, of course, is the race-ethnic breakdown with
regard to income per household. Trickle down wealth within families through
gifts, inheritance, etc., is also a major factor here.
The "haves" and "have nots" have a big effect on our prison populace.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by _______

I hesitate to post anything in a hot topic like this but I can't ignore the statistic he cites in his first paragraph.

140 blacks killed by cops in 2012 vs. 386 whites.

Blacks are 14.6% of the population while whites are 63%. 140 is still a disproportioned number for their population. It's odd he cites the statistic without any further comment.

Your looking at the wrong number. You have to look at the overall number of police contacts based on population. It's a hard number to pin down. You also have to decide if you are going to consider non custodial versus non criminal and now you are getting into a real mess.

The last numbers I recall from years ago, that if you only consider contacts with a identified suspect, then police make contact with 3 times many blacks as any other group. I personally think that's the only place to start.

Btw, even using those guidelines, how about geographical differences based on population and crime patterns? How many black guys have a chance of being killed by police in Vermont or Alaska?

It's a tangled stat for Elder to use, but overall, I think it means something when you relate it to the recent rhetoric about "open season" on black men etc.
how many riots occurred and how we pick and choose when to protest might be a little askew all things considered.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

Even more out of proportion, of course, is the race-ethnic breakdown with
regard to income per household. Trickle down wealth within families through
gifts, inheritance, etc., is also a major factor here.
The "haves" and "have nots" have a big effect on our prison populace.

Pure crap. If you believe that, then every poor person would be a criminal. It just doesn't work like that. I grew up poor, of course I wasn't aware of it until I got older.

I didn't inherit a thing, received very few "gifts" and have done alright. My wife the same way. Crying poverty as an excuse to be a criminal is a joke.
Next you'll be telling me that the lack of education makes you a criminal too.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Pure crap. If you believe that, then every poor person would be a criminal. It just doesn't work like that. I grew up poor, of course I wasn't aware of it until I got older.

I didn't inherit a thing, received very few "gifts" and have done alright. My wife the same way. Crying poverty as an excuse to be a criminal is a joke.
Next you'll be telling me that the lack of education makes you a criminal too.

Oh, I'm very well educated, sir.
Realizing that you nothing about me would explain your poor judgement.

[Tom]

The "haves" and "have nots" have a big effect on our prison populace.

You mean the do's and the do not's?

Look, the way you get a sufficient wage is off a sufficient service.
The truth is, many people just are not worth a living wage.
What they have to offer is not worth even minimum wage.

But it is so much easier to help yourself to the fruits of someone else's labor than to help yourself.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

Trickle down wealth within families through
gifts, inheritance, etc., is also a major factor here.
The "haves" and "have nots" have a big effect on our prison populace.

"B" as in bull and "S" as in shirt. Or "S" as in shite, if you happen to be Irish.

How many children of poor Asian immigrants end up in prison?

How many children of poor black or Asian or Hispanic (or white) parents who take responsibility for their children's education end up in prison? The common thread there is not race or poverty. It is responsibility and education.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

Oh, I'm very well educated, sir.
Realizing that you nothing about me would explain your poor judgement.

What the hell are you talking about? I didn't say anything about you not being educated?

Still on tilt I see.....have a nice night.....

[Tom]

Just your typical leftist condescending disrespect for people.
Poor people are criminals.
Yeah, right.
No one insults people like a lefty.

[dartman51]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

Even more out of proportion, of course, is the race-ethnic breakdown with
regard to income per household. Trickle down wealth within families through
gifts, inheritance, etc., is also a major factor here.
The "haves" and "have nots" have a big effect on our prison populace.

Since you like to quote TR, try this one on tor size.

"We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin.

But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn't doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people." -Theodore Rosevelt January 3rd, 1919.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

Oh, I'm very well educated, sir.
Realizing that you nothing about me would explain your poor judgement.

Based on your complete misread of Ralph's reply to you, I begin to question your claim here.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

What the hell are you talking about? I didn't say anything about you not being educated?

Still on tilt I see.....have a nice night.....

My apologies.
That's what reading a post too quickly
sometimes does to me, and I misunderstood.
I even typed the reply too fast, and left out a word.
My bad.

The income gap (rich to poor), I will admit, oversimplifies
the situation regarding minorities in our prison system.
To say it's not a factor is wrong, however.

[HUSKER55]

The USA is getting screwd by liberals who want to seperate us.

What is needed is a leader who will take the hyphen out of Americans.

A leader who will allow schools to teach what it means to be an American.

A leader who can get rid of the leaders who are incompetitant and restore honesty and trust in government.

My money says no student has ever heard the above quotes much less understand what they mean.

How many young people know that "polital correctness" is a polite way of saying,"my opponent is correct but I want to win".

We have become a nation of sheep.....