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05-03-2019, 11:46 PM
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Enjoy
I enjoy Pizzollas rants...
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05-04-2019, 09:03 AM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Originally Posted by Speed Figure
Who's the other's?
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Monty Banks?
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05-04-2019, 09:17 AM
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Here is Andy Serling's KD video.
Last edited by 098poi; 05-04-2019 at 09:19 AM.
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05-04-2019, 10:28 AM
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DJ M.Walk
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Originally Posted by Tom
Monty Banks?
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Who is that? do they sale a software program?
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05-04-2019, 10:54 AM
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The Voice of Reason!
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That was a guy on the old Horseplayers United board at Yahoo - he was always trying to sell his BANKS2000 software - the ultimate system!
Not real thing.... 
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05-04-2019, 01:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Speed Figure
Who's the other's?
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the fellow from cynthia publishing. its a short one and not as much detail.
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05-04-2019, 02:24 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Location: Moore, OK
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
Do his books have any interesting insights?
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Handicapping Magic I found very interesting. It is hard to find now at a reasonable price, at least the last time I checked.
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05-04-2019, 04:32 PM
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Location: New Hampshire
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Originally Posted by reckless
Worst than that, Gus.
He was a lawyer.
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If he was a good one he would have better teeth today.
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05-04-2019, 04:53 PM
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PA Steward
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Originally Posted by fast4522
If he was a good one he would have better teeth today.
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Tell that to the British Royal Family over the years.
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05-04-2019, 05:43 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Originally Posted by cj
Handicapping Magic I found very interesting. It is hard to find now at a reasonable price, at least the last time I checked.
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I see there is a new edition, looks like $97. I might give it a shot.
https://posttimedaily.com/handicappi...c-3rd-edition/
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05-04-2019, 06:42 PM
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re Pizzola - I read that he was partners with an Eric Langhfur ( not sure of spelling) - Langhfur was responsible for doing all the handicapping while Pizzola was the promoter -- Langhfur passed away and Pizzola grabbed all the software , notes etc, Langhfurs' widow sued Pizzola but was not successful due to something technical under Nevada ,Vegas law etc.
This info is probably still on the Internet.
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05-04-2019, 07:10 PM
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I have an early edition of that book, and used the methodology for a while. I found it to be a simplified, structured take on the Sartin Methodology, with decent results. I moved on to a broader use of Sartin in general, and Jim Bradshaw's Match-Up in particular, for better results.
Pizzolla worked with Doc Sartin for some time early in his career. Two other Sartin folks, Tom Hambleton and Dick Schmidt, wrote a book called "Pace Makes the Race", also based on the Sartin Method. Pizzolla was a co-author of a later revised version of that book before writing his own.
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05-04-2019, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by horseplayer
Pizzola was the promoter
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A man's gotta go with his strong suit. 
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05-04-2019, 07:37 PM
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The concept of the fulcrum pace was interesting, but I was never able to implement the concept into my play. Anybody else have better luck than me?
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05-04-2019, 08:10 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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I still use it quite a bit.
I may use raw or I may use adjusted pace ratings.
I like to use it to forgive races run against fast paces and to set up what I think is reasonable to expect today for a pace.
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