crunk_o Twitter thread about the Santa Anita breakdown problem....

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by Tom

SA has already proven they do not have the capability to install a poly track.
Several times.

Incompetence rules at the Great Race Place.

Poly Track won't work in that climate.
Don't know about Tapeta.
The materials in Polytrack are known to break down in higher summer temps.
It's junk.
I would like to see a study of the surfaces used by tracks in Europe to see if there is any correlation to racing related injuries, fatalities and in training only injuries.
Of course a mandate to install any type of artificial surface would sound a death knell to most of the tracks in North America as the ownership of many tracks simply could not raise the funds to purchase , install and maintain.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by thespaah

Poly Track won't work in that climate.
Don't know about Tapeta.
The materials in Polytrack are known to break down in higher summer temps.
It's junk.
I would like to see a study of the surfaces used by tracks in Europe to see if there is any correlation to racing related injuries, fatalities and in training only injuries.
Of course a mandate to install any type of artificial surface would sound a death knell to most of the tracks in North America as the ownership of many tracks simply could not raise the funds to purchase , install and maintain.

Polytrack was OK at Del Mar and also works fine in high temperatures in Hong Kong. Cushion worked fine at Hollywood. Tapeta is excellent at GGF and worked at Meydan.

They could figure this out.

[bello]

Originally Posted by airford1

Let me hear that from Mike Smith, Martin Pedrosa or even Gary Stevens.

You won't hear from them. Just like all of the resident administrators of PA have been quiet as well as the self proclaimed policeman of the board TLG. BTW at lease PA finally opined to his credit.

Draydon is a young honest guy who may lose mounts because of what he implied in his comments. One of few who have the balls to be honest about what is going on. Now he may lose his livelihood. Hope not.

[Dahossdaboss]

Originally Posted by bello

You won't hear from them. Just like all of the resident administrators of PA have been quiet as well as the self proclaimed policeman of the board TLG. BTW at lease PA finally opined to his credit.

Draydon is a young honest guy who may lose mounts because of what he implied in his comments. One of few who have the balls to be honest about what is going on. Now he may lose his livelihood. Hope not.

What are the administrators of PA or TLG supposed to say?

Drayden isn’t going to lose his livelihood. So dramatic...

[lex]

Originally Posted by rtnwin

Long time lurker, first time poster.

Agree with Psychotic Parakeet the initial problem is the sealing of the track during heavy rains.
Note the fractions below:
12Jan19SA7 6f wfs :21.1 :44 :56 1:08.3 Clm 12500n2L
It’s absurd when Clm12500n2L are running that fast and should have been an indication of potential issues to the horses.
Running on a repeatedly sealed track during and after heavy rain is not the same as running on a hard fast track such as Turf Paradise. The key difference is the track base. Everyone seems to focus on the several inches of cushion where the horse’s hooves actually contact. The composition of the underlying base is just as important due to energy displacement.
When a horse hoof contacts the surface during a race the energy must be displaced properly to minimize the potential for damage to the horse. If you have 12” of cushion above a concrete base versus a sand base the difference in energy absorption is dramatic.
When a track is sealed, compaction of the surface cushion and the base occurs. Furrowing only affects the surface cushion and maintenance that seals tracks, usually doesn’t furrowing deeply as they want to maintain a fast surface. Additionally, sand, clay, and other solids are poor at absorbing energy, it’s the space between the material that allows displacement for absorption and dissipation. A sealed track allows more water to run off but some is absorbed and fills the space well down into the base. Since there is less “give” the base cannot absorb as much energy and some will bounce back towards the surface (similar to the Doppler Effect). Admittedly, some of this will occur even if the track isn’t sealed but the condition is defiantly more of an issue when it is.
As some have noted, the track is probably fine now, but the damage to the horses has been done. No horse should be allowed to work or race until thoroughly examined, including leg scans. Unlikely to happen.
Of course, this is only a short term issue. Race day drugs including Lasix and breeding issues are the larger problem.

Thanks for this. Track surface is something I don't know a lot about so this was helpful.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by bello

You won't hear from them. Just like all of the resident administrators of PA have been quiet as well as the self proclaimed policeman of the board TLG. BTW at lease PA finally opined to his credit.

Draydon is a young honest guy who may lose mounts because of what he implied in his comments. One of few who have the balls to be honest about what is going on. Now he may lose his livelihood. Hope not.

I don't know how your troll-ass has escaped my wrath in the past...consider yourself lucky until now.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

This is all ridiculous. Thoroughbreds have been racing for centuries. You think by now we'd have basic things like the composition of the track surface perfected.

You know what? Let's take all the drugs out of racing. Let's see what happens. If horses stop breaking down, great. PETA will have to start looking around for another way to kill the sport.

We can provide every track with the perfect formula for the surface - dirt, poly, rail to rail carpeting - whatever is the best

I don't know who has the power here, but we'll find someone to get all the tracks to cooperate and we'll see if the product improves. We'll see what happens to field size. We'll see how often horses race. We'll see how many full fields we get in the BC. We'll see how many tracks survive under the new rules. And if everything is like we hoped it would be, we'll start pouring money in like never before. Let's stop arguing and get to work.

Of course it might not work. Then what do we do?

[dilanesp]

It seems to me that overall, horse racing media is doing a decent job of covering this story. I see a lot of articles about on horse racing sites, plus discussion here.


Compare it to say, the NFL, which forced Bob Costas out because they didn't like his commentary on concussions.


Horse racing hasn't always been this forthcoming about this issue. I remember when Go For Wand broke down, there was a bunch of blame in the industry directed towards NBC, as if a network covering a major horse race where a champion racehorse breaks down in front of the stands is not going to extensively cover the story. (NBC, to its great credit, told the industry to go screw itself and made it be known that if something like that happened again, they would do the same thing.)


But lots of people are being up front about this. It's an improvement, actually.

[bello]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

I don't know how your troll-ass has escaped my wrath in the past...consider yourself lucky until now.

Ahhhh Part one of team Uck and Puck.....Where is your partner Puck....TLG......When was the last time he hd an opinion on an
anything other than knocking fellow posters for being idiots.

Come on TLG Puck.....What do you think about all of this. Get some balls like Drayson.


BTW PA

Have you ever heard of BlockBuster
BlackBerry
Kodak

Keep dreaming your nonsense

There are a wealth of creative thoughts going through this thread. Certainly none from you or TLG.

Come on, let's hear what you guys think.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by bello

Ahhhh Part one of team Uck and Puck.....Where is your partner Puck....TLG......When was the last time he hd an opinion on an
anything other than knocking fellow posters for being idiots.

Come on TLG Puck.....What do you think about all of this. Get some balls like Drayson.


BTW PA

Have you ever heard of BlockBuster
BlackBerry
Kodak

Keep dreaming your nonsense

There are a wealth of creative thoughts going through this thread. Certainly none from you or TLG.

Come on, let's hear what you guys think.

Bye bye

My most creative thought of the day reserved just for you

Another guy who uses TLG as his personal Viagra

[cutchemist42]

I think this incident has shown that racing just cant handle a crisis as it often one racetrack fighting the media/PETA. if anyone thinks one track has the polticical will to fight both entities they are wrong cause PETA/mainstream media won here. They just made anyone on the fence on the sport jump off.

If they had continued on this path, they likely would have been voted out of existence in the next election. This atleast helps make sure they aren't on the ballot.

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[taxicab]

Everybody involved in the entire Santa Anita fiasco are the dumbest MF's to ever walk the face of the earth.
From the jump,they've made every wrong move they could.
Their level of stupidity and inability to see the road they were heading down is ignorance that can't be topped.
I mean WTF did they think was going to happen ?
And now....
Every single time they open their mouths or take some kind of action it's another PR nightmare.
I thought it was impossible to hit 1.000 on the moron odometer.
Santa Anita proved me wrong.

BTW.....
You guys know what's really scary.....?
These idiots are probably going to try and reopen as soon as possible.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by taxicab

Everybody involved in the entire Santa Anita fiasco are the dumbest MF's to ever walk the face of the earth.
From the jump,they've made every wrong move they could.
Their level of stupidity and inability to see the road they were heading down is ignorance that can't be topped.
I mean WTF did they think was going to happen ?
And now....
Every single time they open their mouths or take some kind of action it's another PR nightmare.
I thought it was impossible to hit 1.000 on the moron odometer.
Santa Anita proved me wrong.

BTW.....
You guys know what's really scary.....?
These idiots are probably going to try and reopen as soon as possible.

Nothing else happens, I've "heard" they are full go for next weekend.

[Tom]

The 800 lb. gorilla in the rooms wants to know what was done to make the track after than it was yesterday when the last breakdown occurred?

State needs to step in and ban them from running.

[cutchemist42]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/s...core-ios-share

LA District Attorney will be launching an investigation.

“This could be the end in California,” said Gary Stute, 62, a trainer like his father before him and stalwart of the racing circuit.