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Old 05-08-2017, 05:02 PM   #76
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PA is right.

if someone places a large bet with 1 second or less to post, that money doesn't instantly show up in the pool, when it does, it's too late for anyone to 'asjust' to that bet.
you are like the blind leading the blind on this one
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Old 05-08-2017, 05:04 PM   #77
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you are like the blind leading the blind on this one
What I said was correct, you probably meant something different than what you typed
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Old 05-08-2017, 05:23 PM   #78
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Agree, plus what is in the various race line publications is ALL us outsiders have to deal with on a consistent basis..

It is impossible for us to know the trainers intentions...and bet downs on the board cannot be assumed to be "inside intent"...
Nitro's whole assumption that odds can predict trainer intent is, IMHO, non-testable and non-provable...


There are probably skads of trainers over the years who have lost their shirts betting their "intents" who rarely bet anymore...as a result.
Where do you come up with this nonsense? I never (ever) suggested that just the “odds” will tell you what’s involved in a complete tote analysis. This couldn’t be further from the truth when in fact the analysis examines ALL of the mutual pools and Exacta (or Quinella) pool simultaneously.

The only thing I use odds for are to determine Value and the playability of a race.

I could really care less if you actually believe that it hasn’t been tested or proven. However, I do know that my mentor’s database contains well over ½ million races of every description and that tote analysis I use is results driven. In fact, if you ever bothered to view the results of my posted selections, you might wonder how I’m able to successfully post so many winning Vertical plays.

Yes, of course just like any other business venture there are winners and losers. If you actually believe that the connections aren’t interested in taking advantage of acquiring some of the money in those betting pools you are GREATLY mistaken.
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Old 05-08-2017, 05:28 PM   #79
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Hey Nitro, I never saw you do that for anywhere but HK. Have you ever posted those 'predictions' outside of that venue?
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Old 05-08-2017, 06:12 PM   #80
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So I guess all us plankton should just give up? I say all the power to someone who figures away to EARN a good living at this game. Me ... I'll just keep banging away with my $5's $10's and 20's while enjoying the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat.
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Old 05-08-2017, 07:32 PM   #81
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Hey Nitro, I never saw you do that for anywhere but HK. Have you ever posted those 'predictions' outside of that venue?
Yes, by golly I have. Sorry you missed out.
Here’s just a few recent Selection threads that I been involved in.

Apparently some like Vigors seem to think that these type of selections are posted through some sort of paranormal activity and the resulting productivity is based on pure happenstance.

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...=137990&page=5

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...=137965&page=7

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...=137884&page=2

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...=137859&page=2

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...=137845&page=2

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...=137845&page=2

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...=137743&page=2

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...=137725&page=2

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...d.php?t=137698

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...=137633&page=2
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Old 05-08-2017, 08:52 PM   #82
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Where do you come up with this nonsense? I never (ever) suggested that just the “odds” will tell you what’s involved in a complete tote analysis. This couldn’t be further from the truth when in fact the analysis examines ALL of the mutual pools and Exacta (or Quinella) pool simultaneously.

The only thing I use odds for are to determine Value and the playability of a race.

I could really care less if you actually believe that it hasn’t been tested or proven. However, I do know that my mentor’s database contains well over ½ million races of every description and that tote analysis I use is results driven. In fact, if you ever bothered to view the results of my posted selections, you might wonder how I’m able to successfully post so many winning Vertical plays.

Yes, of course just like any other business venture there are winners and losers. If you actually believe that the connections aren’t interested in taking advantage of acquiring some of the money in those betting pools you are GREATLY mistaken.
"examines ALL of the mutual pools and Exacta (or Quinella) pool simultaneously."
Examines them FOR WHAT...? What are you deriving from your examinations....Value based on what...? Play ability based on what....? What are your criteria...?
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Old 05-09-2017, 06:02 PM   #83
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Are you saying that most whales are not US citizens and that they don't live in the US?
Yes.
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:31 AM   #85
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Good stuff Dave!! You whales in training listen up.
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Old 05-19-2017, 04:49 PM   #86
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Dave, I clicked on your website link provided in your post above and get an error message.

Couldn't connect to a secure site.
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:03 PM   #87
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Long term losers lose because they aren't good enough at handicapping. None of this has anything to do w whales or how they bet.
Tell that to the small bettors who bet pm on lone f cj,s awesome in the first race at Monmouth went from 4-5 to 1-5 after the race started. Lol 2.60 for a 2.00 investment with a large wager.

Not sure how not getting less money on winners can't be considered a factor for long term losers.

Btw I bet cj awesome at 1.84 on the x. I got good value. The ones who bet pm got screwed outta money.

If more people bet on the x. The whales prices will down and they will make less money.

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Old 05-19-2017, 07:38 PM   #88
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Dave, I clicked on your website link provided in your post above and get an error message.

Couldn't connect to a secure site.
That message appeared on my XP machine but, just tried it on my Win10 machine just now and everything is fine. Must have been a glitch earlier. Just noticed the web bar shows https// so that may have been the reason.

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