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11-01-2014, 07:29 PM
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Distance back on first call?
I notice this often when reading the drf. I will show the position on first call, but not how many lengths back. Why is this? Thank you in advance for any help.
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11-01-2014, 08:02 PM
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That is the start call, right out of the gate.
Use it to compare your front runners - horses who need the lead and break a step slow are up against it with those who break sharp and also go to the front.
You can sometimes find and excuse for a horse tiring with a bad break and a rush up.
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11-01-2014, 08:17 PM
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Thank you. Is there a way to figure out what im asking though?
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11-01-2014, 08:21 PM
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I notice this often when reading the drf. I will show the position on first call, but not how many lengths back. Why is this? Thank you in advance for any help.
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The first positions shown in the PPs is actually the Start Call. I haven't used DRF in a while, I use Bris. The initial call shown is labeled "ST" for the "start". In Bris PPs, there are no lengths show for the "ST" in sprints, they are shown in routes. The second call shown is labeled "1C" and that is always referred to as the "first call". This call is at 2F for sprints and 4F for routes. The next call shown is labeled "2C" in Bris and is referred to as the "second call". It is 4F in sprints and 6F in routes.
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11-01-2014, 08:28 PM
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Thank you. Is there a way to figure out what im asking though?
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If you are asking for lengths behind at the start call in sprints, I'd say the answer is no. The "first call" in a sprint is at 2F, which is around 24 seconds into the race. That is not enough time for the caller to give positions and lengths on the start call and then start calling the first call positions and lengths.
If that information is critical to you, you might be able to make your own estimates watching replays.
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11-01-2014, 08:48 PM
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No, i don't mean post position. Im new to the form, its the column just right of pp. its usually between 22 and 24 seconds.Do you like BRIS? i notice quite a few people here are partial to it.
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11-01-2014, 09:16 PM
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No, i don't mean post position. Im new to the form, its the column just right of pp. its usually between 22 and 24 seconds.Do you like BRIS? i notice quite a few people here are partial to it.
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The positions consist of 6 columns, the post position, the start, the 1st, 2nd and stretch calls, and the finish. The times consist of 4 columns, the 1st, 2nd and stretch calls and the finish. As far as I can tell, both DRF and Bris give lengths behind for the start call in routes, but not in sprints.
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11-01-2014, 09:16 PM
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You mean this call?
It is the start position - right out of the gate. No beaten lengths.
Or, as Baffert calls it, the Kill Zone. 
In routes, it is the 2 Furlong call, with beaten lengths until you get to 9 furlongs.
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11-01-2014, 09:29 PM
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The format youre using is different. it seems i have it wrong but im not positive >. on DRF.com it shows it being first call, so i assumed it was.
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11-01-2014, 09:36 PM
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This is DRF PPs - line 2 is a sprint, 1 and 3 are routes.
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11-01-2014, 09:56 PM
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As far as I can tell, both DRF and Bris give lengths behind for the start call in routes, but not in sprints.
That is it.Thank you 
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11-01-2014, 10:04 PM
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Mike,
The "start" call is (as has been said) the break from the gate.
There is no time given for that call, nor are there beaten lengths recorded.
In sprints the calls (with beaten lengths) are 2f, 4f, stretch call (1f from finish), and finish. The times are given for 2f, 4f, and finish only.
Longer races have a different call sequence and give an extra call.
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11-01-2014, 10:17 PM
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I see. What i thought was first call is actually start call.
Thank you all
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11-01-2014, 10:43 PM
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I wonder what the purpose of "start call' is since it is so immediate.
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11-01-2014, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mikel9478
I wonder what the purpose of "start call' is since it is so immediate.
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Some feel they can occasionally use that info to their advantage.
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Use it to compare your front runners - horses who need the lead and break a step slow are up against it with those who break sharp and also go to the front.
You can sometimes find and excuse for a horse tiring with a bad break and a rush up.
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