Tough meet for Dan Illman - Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com

cj · 09-04-2005, 05:46 AM

Meet's Win/Loss: -$94.60 for $2 base wager

I know these races are tough, and I almost never play them. But didn't this guy write a book about betting maidens and 2yos?

andicap · 09-04-2005, 05:53 AM

Are those stats just based on maiden races?

Anyone can have a bad meet -- I give him credit for letting his record hang out there for all to see. As opposed to a certain pedigree expert who likes to redboard in print about how handicappers should have had a certain well-paying winner based on breeding.

cj · 09-04-2005, 06:05 AM

I think he gives extensive analysis of all the 2yo races run at the meet, maiden and non-maiden alike.

Brad Free and Dave Litfin are losing money as well, but could still pull it out late.

blind squirrel · 09-04-2005, 06:12 AM

speaking of DRF handicapping authors,the last several years DAVE
LITFIN{EXPERT HANDICAPPING,REAL LIFE HANDICAPPING} and
BRAD FREE{HANDICAPPING101}have bet $50 a day at their
respective meets.

i always enjoy following along to see how they arrive at their
selections.usually find a couple of good horses to watch at HOL and bel.

this year:FREE DMR..minus 218.80
LITFIN SAR .minus 110.50

i guess it's a bad year for handicapping authors.

cj · 09-04-2005, 06:16 AM

The only thing I haven't liked is that a lot of their bets this year have been "no plays" because they put unreasonable cutoffs for their bet. Such as saying minimum odds to bet have to be 5-2 when any clown in the grandstand knew the horse would be 7 to 5 or so. Also, the problem with trying to bet like that, just as in real life, is you don't really know the final odds when you bet. Other than that, it is fun to follow.

PaceAdvantage · 09-04-2005, 06:05 PM

It's funny that they don't track the ROI in the NYRA program anymore. What is Dave Litfin so afraid of? Heck, Mike Sherack and Kelly G. weren't afraid....why is Dave Litfin?

Good to see someone is keeping an eye out on these "names".....

Tom · 09-04-2005, 07:05 PM

I like to read Dave Litfin for comments and bits of information, but his picks are as good as Beyers!

They should read each other's books!

exactajack · 09-04-2005, 08:12 PM

Not a Beyer fan. Never was and never will be. It was said by Harvey Pack at the Siros seminar tht Andy Beyer took down the pick six Sat for 178k. Who knows for sure.

Ron · 09-04-2005, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by exactajack

Not a Beyer fan. Never was and never will be. It was said by Harvey Pack at the Siros seminar tht Andy Beyer took down the pick six Sat for 178k. Who knows for sure.

Didn't he credit Harvey Pack for one of the horses?

WINMANWIN · 09-05-2005, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by exactajack

Not a Beyer fan. Never was and never will be. It was said by Harvey Pack at the Siros seminar tht Andy Beyer took down the pick six Sat for 178k. Who knows for sure.

I wonder how many partners Andy has when he plays the carryover's. I'm sure if we were in a circle with Pick 6 players, we can get lucky also.

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Originally Posted by Ron

Didn't he credit Harvey Pack for one of the horses?

BTW---DRF CAPPER NOEL MICHAELS I believe touted Beyer to that 2 year old winner in the feature. Noel made a good case for the steed, on the SIRO'S seminar, and Andy gave credit to Noel.

the little guy · 09-06-2005, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by exactajack

Not a Beyer fan. Never was and never will be. It was said by Harvey Pack at the Siros seminar tht Andy Beyer took down the pick six Sat for 178k. Who knows for sure.

While I cannot give you the extensive list of who knows for " sure " I can tell you that I do.

As for the question about his partners....I am almost certain he had none, and if he did they were extremely minor.

I will add something else about Andy Beyer....when I was alive in ( and ultimately hit ) a substantial Pick-6 earlier in the year at Aqueduct, NOBODY was more excited for me than Beyer ( and he was NOT a partner of mine ). He called me repeatedly between the last few legs and was absolutely the first person to congratulate me on the win. In a game filled with petty jealousies, Andy Beyer rises above the crowd in his support of his friends.

cj · 09-06-2005, 04:21 PM

I'll never really understand the Beyer bashing, the guy has done more good for the average horseplayer than any man alive. If the other supposed writers tackled the issues Andy does, the sport would be way better off.

He's also a pretty darn good bettor. Not handicapper, though I'm sure he is adequate, but he knows how to fill out a ticket.

GMB@BP · 09-06-2005, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cj

I'll never really understand the Beyer bashing, the guy has done more good for the average horseplayer than any man alive. If the other supposed writers tackled the issues Andy does, the sport would be way better off.

He's also a pretty darn good bettor. Not handicapper, though I'm sure he is adequate, but he knows how to fill out a ticket.

I agree, and we have discussed this on your site, the people the do usually dont have a fundemental understanding of his figures. I dont always agree with his articles or figures, but his prowess as a player is absolutely legit.

Fastracehorse · 09-06-2005, 04:45 PM

You and I are on the same page about Beyer.

I think when you are a new player he has alot to offer. As you gain maturity over the years you realize he is only a good player.

Further, Beyer is great for the game. He's not afraid to chastize horse betting syndicates for cheating or trainers for using illicits. He has helped investigators make arrests in the past.

I like the guy and his figure - their imperfections are expected.

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Fastracehorse · 09-06-2005, 04:51 PM

I do know Free was in the red at Del Mar last season as well.

It is just funny, that's all.

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