The coronavirus

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

CNN says 5 states are running out of ICU beds...the fear porn reigns supreme...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/31/healt...day/index.html

How? Cases are running half what they were during the worst of times, and with better procotols, fewer people are needing ICUs. I smell BS.

[PaceAdvantage]

Those nasty unvaccinated folks are ****ing it up for the rest of us.

[woodtoo]

My good friend Mark is marrying off one of his daughters this month, they have been planning a wedding outdoors with 140 guests and he offered to pay the bar tab for everyone months ago.
Well last night he got a call informing him that if anyone goes who is not vaccinated they will not be allowed to serve alcohol at all.
They are devastated as 20 guests are not vaccinated including him, his wife and daughter are devastated. This is punishment and nothing more. And by the fine for being in possession of a fake card is $750,000.

[46zilzal]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...pitals-morgues

quote: Rising cases, mostly among the unvaccinated, have overwhelmed hospitals across the state. In south-west Oregon, cases are increasing faster than anywhere else in the country. Oregon has more people hospitalized than at any other point in the pandemic. Officials attribute the current surge to the hyper-contagious Delta variant and low vaccination rates in some regions, such as Josephine county, where just 40% of eligible residents are fully vaccinated. In Tillamook county, 54% of eligible residents are fully vaccinated.

In the past two weeks, we have had more new positive cases than the first 10 months of the pandemic,” the Tillamook county board of commissioners said in a public statement. “The spread of Covid in Tillamook county has reached a critical phase.” The area, which has a population of 26,000, saw six deaths in six days.

[ReplayRandall]

They have plenty of beds, but no staff....

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[46zilzal]

I was, regrettably, hospitalized almost the entire month of June...Hospital are understaffed MOSTLY because Covid infected staff are still out according to the nurses I spoke with first hand AND until recently all the ICU beds were full mostly of Covid infections

My sister's hospital in Laguna Hills Calif, SAME THING she reported

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

My good friend Mark is marrying off one of his daughters this month, they have been planning a wedding outdoors with 140 guests and he offered to pay the bar tab for everyone months ago.
Well last night he got a call informing him that if anyone goes who is not vaccinated they will not be allowed to serve alcohol at all.
They are devastated as 20 guests are not vaccinated including him, his wife and daughter are devastated. This is punishment and nothing more. And by the fine for being in possession of a fake card is $750,000.

So do they have vaccination police in his locale? I haven't heard whether the mandates are actually enforced anywhere and or who has the authority to do it.

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

So do they have vaccination police in his locale? I haven't heard whether the mandates are actually enforced anywhere and or who has the authority to do it.

They have an army of enforcers (not police) who scour the city for miscreants and ticket them where and when they find them.
They force owners to check papers before entering the premises.

I am not allowed in any restaurant, bar, casino or on transit etc.

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

They have an army of enforcers (not police) who scour the city for miscreants and ticket them where and when they find them.
They force owners to check papers before entering the premises.

I am not allowed in any restaurant, bar, casino or on transit etc.

Are they from the health department?

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by tucker6

How? Cases are running half what they were during the worst of times, and with better procotols, fewer people are needing ICUs. I smell BS.

Even if new cases matched the old case highs we have 50% vaccinated. Being vaccinated lessens the symptoms, so that lowers the hospitalization rate. I second the smelling of BS.

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

Are they from the health department?

No they are hired by the city or province Im not sure.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

CNN says 5 states are running out of ICU beds...the fear porn reigns supreme...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/31/healt...day/index.html

Trump sent an entire hospital ship when NYC was in peril.
WTF is Biden doing? Besides blaming everyone else.

[Jeff P]

In the US there are 35 states that have Certificate of Need laws.

Link:
https://www.nashp.org/anticipating-h...ck-expansions/

CON laws are state regulatory mechanisms to help determine whether building or expanding health care facilities and services in a given area is needed. Currently, 35 states have CON statutes. Generally, a health care facility submits a CON application to a state agency when it proposes to build an additional health care facility, provide a new lines of services, or increae the number and type of beds it offers. The state then reviews and determines whether to approve the proposed change.

A central assumption behind state CON legislation is that overbuilding and redundancy in health care facilities leads to higher health care costs. As a result, CON requirements can be useful tools to achieve health care cost containment. However, states are also working to ensure these cost containment tools do not inadvertently create barriers in their response to the COVID-19 crisis.

The way I understand it (feel free to jump in and correct me if I am wrong) is that under Certificate of Need laws:

Individual hospitals don't get to decide how many ICU units they have - the State does.

In theory - the State has an interest in keeping operating costs down.

As a result, a hospital that wants to operate at and maintain their ICU capacity at 60% won't be allowed to do so.

The State will likely tell them something along the lines of: "No. You need to operate at ICU capacity of 98% because that's what the published guideline says."

Also, with the advent of the pandemic - States have become quicker to approve increases in ICU capacity when demand surges.

From the above linked to article:

Thirteen states have taken steps to mitigate these potential barriers. Twelve state governors (CT, GA, IN, IA, LA, MD, MI, NJ, NY, SC, TN, and VA) have issued executive orders that suspend their states’ CON requirements. These suspensions are temporary and targeted:

They last only for the duration of the public health emergency in their respective states; and
Authorize suspensions of CON requirements only to the extent needed in order to respond to COVID-19.

Vermont enacted legislation on March 30, 2020, to provide authority to the Green Mountain Care Board to waive CON requirements.

Expedited Approvals

Six states (GA, MD, MI, NY, VT, and VA) have temporarily expedited their CON approval process, but have not suspended it outright. For example, since Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan’s March 5, 2020, emergency declaration, which included a general authority allowing the Health Services Cost Commission to waive its CON statute and regulations as necessary to respond to COVID-19, the commission has granted seven expedited emergency CON applications within one to two days of their receipt. One expedited approval allows for the creation of two intensive care units, one containing 48 beds, by converting a conference room and office space, which can be re-assembled after the current state of emergency ends.

Another expedited approval allows conversion of a former nursing home and existing business center into 72 lower-acuity beds. The commission has also suspended the need for any applying facility to file a formal CON application until 30 days past the end of the emergency declaration. These emergency CONs will remain in effect for a maximum of 165 days or until 30 days after the termination of the state of emergency.

Local Area Hospitals Operating at Near 100% Capacity

Every time I see an article with a headline like that I cringe.

The authors of those articles almost always forget to mention States and Hospitals DO have the ability to increase capacity as need arises.


-jp

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[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

I was, regrettably, hospitalized almost the entire month of June...Hospital are understaffed MOSTLY because Covid infected staff are still out according to the nurses I spoke with first hand AND until recently all the ICU beds were full mostly of Covid infections

My sister's hospital in Laguna Hills Calif, SAME THING she reported

How could they be COVID infected if we have this wonderful vaccine?

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

How could they be COVID infected if we have this wonderful vaccine?

Their infections mostly occurred during the height of the early pandemic BEFORE the vaccines were ready.

My GP's medical assistant was one of them and still has lingering problems with her sense of smell