Trump will be left holding the Bag

[ebcorde]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-senator-offering-obamacare-replacement-says-trump-move-165908754.html


you have a problem with Healthcare go complain to your Governor. it'll never happen though Govs don't want that. Chuck stop worrying about everyone else, focus on NY.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by ElKabong

"It's the economy, stupid".

Remember those words? Sure you do. It was from a Democrat.

Trump beat Hillary b/c he swung 3 midwestern states that normally vote Blue. The economy (and 0bamacare) was the reason.

Look, the American people are NOT doing better. They voted as such, why is that so hard to comprehend? It's actually very simple. People were looking for change, just as they were in 2008

Want some charts?? OK, go to the link below and look at the nine charts in post 249. Do it.... The reason people voted for Trump can be found, right there

https://www.hornfans.com/threads/oba...9#post-1498445

Why do all those charts cut off at 2013-sometimes 2012 when this is 2017?

Food Stamps: The increase in Food Stamp use can be directly tied to the Great Recession of 2008. Here is an important fact to note. The words "Food Stamps" are superimposed on the graph, but the numbers are for many types of social benefits. Here are the actual numbers:
2009 40,000,000
2012 47,600,000
2015 45,800,000
2016 43,200,000

in other words there has been a decrease of 4,400,000 in the number of persons on food stamps in the past four years. Obama did not cause the increase but he did have a lot to do with the decrease.

Federal Debt: As I pointed out elsewhere the national debt went up 105% during George Bush's term and 52% during Obama's term.

Health Insurance Costs: Since 2013 when the ACA went fully into effect, the increase in Health Care costs has been nearly flat.

Real Median Income in the United States: Interesting that this chart cuts off at 2012 when RMI is at a low point of $52,666 and ignores the next three years when it rises to $56,516.

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Federal Debt: As I pointed out elsewhere the national debt went up 105% during George Bush's term and 52% during Obama's term.

In actual dollars added to the Federal Debt during their 8 years as POTUS:

Barack Obama- Added $7.917 trillion

George W. Bush- Added $5.849 trillion

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by Tom

Obama himself said you could not judge the economy by the stock market.

He meant you can't judge the economy solely by the stock market. You also need to use unemployment numbers (Down to 4.7% from 10% during his administration. You need to use job growth (75 consecutive months of positive job growth) You need to use income. (Real Median Income increased $3850 from its low point in 2012.)

[classhandicapper]

I'll explain the Obama economy quickly.

We borrowed 9 trillion dollars.

We printed 4 trillion dollars.

We set interest rates to zero (negative in real terms).

In the immortal words of Jimmy Rogers, "You give me a trillion dollars a year and I'll show the country a good time too, but I'm going to give you quite a hangover".

[dkithore]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Why do all those charts cut off at 2013-sometimes 2012 when this is 2017?

Food Stamps: The increase in Food Stamp use can be directly tied to the Great Recession of 2008. Here is an important fact to note. The words "Food Stamps" are superimposed on the graph, but the numbers are for many types of social benefits. Here are the actual numbers:
2009 40,000,000
2012 47,600,000
2015 45,800,000
2016 43,200,000

in other words there has been a decrease of 4,400,000 in the number of persons on food stamps in the past four years. Obama did not cause the increase but he did have a lot to do with the decrease.

Federal Debt: As I pointed out elsewhere the national debt went up 105% during George Bush's term and 52% during Obama's term.

Health Insurance Costs: Since 2013 when the ACA went fully into effect, the increase in Health Care costs has been nearly flat.

Real Median Income in the United States: Interesting that this chart cuts off at 2012 when RMI is at a low point of $52,666 and ignores the next three years when it rises to $56,516.

If Obummer did so great, then why was he denied the third term?

[Grits]

Originally Posted by dkithore

If Obummer did so great, then why was he denied the third term?

Maybe because this isn't Russia.

[Clocker]

All of a sudden the libs have discovered, after the fact, the Obama "Economic Miracle" of the stock market boom. Something that neither they nor Obama ever mentioned as a policy goal.

Ironic that this "economic miracle" comes at the cost of the promised "economic miracle" of the Hope and Change generation, the elimination of the evils of wage and wealth inequality, bolstered by the promise of redistribution. How did that work out? Haven't heard much about that in the party litany of Obama's messianic accomplishments.

[ElKabong]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Food Stamps:
2009 40,000,000
2012 47,600,000
2015 45,800,000
2016 43,200,000

in other words there has been a decrease of 4,400,000 in the number of persons on food stamps in the past four years. Obama did not cause the increase but he did have a lot to do with the decrease.

Federal Debt: As I pointed out elsewhere the national debt went up 105% during George Bush's term and 52% during Obama's term.

Health Insurance Costs: Since 2013 when the ACA went fully into effect, the increase in Health Care costs has been nearly flat.

Food stamps are up almost 10% since 2009. You call that success??? He had eight years to Improve the economy,.... but it got worse.

ACA was such a success, trump successfully ran against it. At the grass roots level, people have rejected it

Trump ran on two weak links in the Obama years, and won. The weak, slow to improve economy, and the failure of obamacare..... And won

[ElKabong]

Originally Posted by dkithore

If Obummer did so great, then why was he denied the third term?

He did say on the campaign trail that he would consider it a personal slam on his eight years if trump won.

Well, .... We can consider his third term, so to speak, vaporized.

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by ElKabong

He did say on the campaign trail that he would consider it a personal slam on his eight years if trump won.

Well, .... We can consider his third term, so to speak, vaporized.

Yes, I see the rainbow colors splashed on the White House fading quickly away...

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by Grits

Maybe because this isn't Russia.

You missed his point

Hillary was Obama's 3rd term