The coronavirus

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by hcap

I am not saying one should not take new drugs. But not take them until there is some evidence that the drug does what it is claimed to do. And doing so under a doctor's supervision.

I am not against "compassionate use". Neither are medical professionals like The Mayo Clinic...

I've heard that compassionate use is a way to get access to experimental treatments. How does it work?

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-l...e/faq-20058036

I am against your moron-in-chief singing a swan song exaggerating the effectiveness trying to convince his obsequious lackeys he is doing a bang up when so many have died due to DR Moron's happy talk distracting and replacing science, public health and epidemiology.

You are such a despicable blowhard, Hydroxychloroqiune is SAFE it has been taken by BILLIONS of people worldwide for DECADES

Quit LYING!!!!!!!

[ElKabong]

Originally Posted by hcap

Hey Mike, I guess you and the "flu", are no longer laughing at the coronasvirus. Now that it has exceeded 600,000 fatalities. 6000,000 was passed 20 days ago on July 20,

Over 100,00 more deaths in only 20 days.

Now
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Coronavirus Cases:
Worldwide.
19,823,512

Deaths:
729,891

Oops, looks like you need to back off those phony #s again

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...e=facebook.com

Due to the method of counting, patients who test positive for coronavirus, but are successfully treated, are still being counted as dying from the virus, meaning the count is 'exaggerated' by thousands

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by tucker6

The only good reason to wear a mask is IF YOU ARE SICK AND NEED TO BE AMONG THOSE THAT ARE NOT SICK.

"IF YOU ARE SICK"

Silent spreaders can be asymptomatic (no symptoms of being covid-19 positive) as well as presymptomatic (incubating the virus but don't yet show symptoms).

Seems that transmissions are likely to occur this way.

I guess a good test of that would be to go to choir practice in a small church, or to a crowded bar, where everyone is "feeling fine".


So you don't suggest masks for them, correct?

[sammy the sage]

Originally Posted by clicknow

"IF YOU ARE SICK"

Silent spreaders can be asymptomatic (no symptoms of being covid-19 positive) as well as presymptomatic (incubating the virus but don't yet show symptoms).

Seems that transmissions are likely to occur this way.

I guess a good test of that would be to go to choir practice in a small church, or to a crowded bar, where everyone is "feeling fine".


So you don't suggest masks for them, correct?

See...there-in lies the problem....brainwashed....

Cov/19 badly hurts or kills those with UNDERLYING problems....(most SELF inflicted)...just LIKE the Flu or Common cold....period...the numbers ARE BEARING this out....

So you want to penalize THE REST of society....

Think it THRU....


if you don't want to catch it....stay THE ---- home....but don't penalize me for living life...

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by clicknow

"IF YOU ARE SICK"

Silent spreaders can be asymptomatic (no symptoms of being covid-19 positive) as well as presymptomatic (incubating the virus but don't yet show symptoms).

Seems that transmissions are likely to occur this way.

I guess a good test of that would be to go to choir practice in a small church, or to a crowded bar, where everyone is "feeling fine".


So you don't suggest masks for them, correct?

I do not believe any American should surrender any liberty's by illegal unconstitutional mandates. I do think a business can require masks and face coverings on their property. Those who "may be" asymptomatic do not have less rights than anyone else. If you are at risk it is "on you" to wear whatever you need like expensive PPE that is effective and protects you.

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by sammy the sage

Cov/19 badly hurts or kills those with UNDERLYING problems....(most SELF inflicted)...just LIKE the Flu or Common cold....period...the numbers ARE BEARING this out....

So you want to penalize THE REST of society....

Think it THRU....


if you don't want to catch it....stay THE ---- home....but don't penalize me for living life...

I'm not the least worried about catching covid-19 or dying.

I don't care what other people do. I live in a state that was never locked down, and never told anyone what to do or not do. Interestingly in AR the covid-19 numbers are ages 22-44 or thereabouts.


My point all along has been if you want the economy to improve, you're not gonna accomplish that by letting the numbers get out of control. You can keep pretending it's because of lock downs, but people here aren't going to the casino, they aren't eating inside restaurants, they aren't going to the gyms. And they aren't locked down at all.


I have lots of nurse friends, in different states, so I also know what hospital utilizations are like.


It's very simple. Bring the numbers down, or continue to lose $$.

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by fast4522

I do not believe any American should surrender any liberty's by illegal unconstitutional mandates. I do think a business can require masks and face coverings on their property. Those who "may be" asymptomatic do not have less rights than anyone else. If you are at risk it is "on you" to wear whatever you need like expensive PPE that is effective and protects you.

I have no idea what "at risk" means.

You mean at risk for dying or for catching covid-19?

I know 3 people who have had it. I REALLY do not want to get sick.

But I feel that way about seasonal flu and all those winter viruses as well.

I'm not at risk, even though I am older. I have perfect BMI, weight, blood pressure, and walk 30 miles a week, usually more, and don't eat fast food. My doctors always tells me how many patients they see who if they just did simple stuff they wouldn't be in her office like they are.)

Taking care of my health includes not getting sick.

Not getting diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart disease is also "on you" for everyone. Too bad so many people don't seem to want to put forth the effort not to end up there. Unfortuanately, they are passing along their health care costs to the rest of us by being lazy, but hey, they have freedom to live that way, ya know? It does bring them a lot of unnecessary suffering though, that's the part that makes me sad.

I don't consider illness and bad health to be a form of freedom so I avoid it.

[newtothegame]

Originally Posted by clicknow

I'm not the least worried about catching covid-19 or dying.

I don't care what other people do. I live in a state that was never locked down, and never told anyone what to do or not do. Interestingly in AR the covid-19 numbers are ages 22-44 or thereabouts.


My point all along has been if you want the economy to improve, you're not gonna accomplish that by letting the numbers get out of control. You can keep pretending it's because of lock downs, but people here aren't going to the casino, they aren't eating inside restaurants, they aren't going to the gyms. And they aren't locked down at all.


I have lots of nurse friends, in different states, so I also know what hospital utilizations are like.


It's very simple. Bring the numbers down, or continue to lose $$.

Numbers?? Which ones?? The ones that are constantly being revised?? The ones that are constantly being shown to be false?? The ones that are INCENTIVIZED the be a positive result?? You mean bring THOSE numbers down?? How???

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by newtothegame

Numbers?? Which ones?? The ones that are constantly being revised?? The ones that are constantly being shown to be false?? The ones that are INCENTIVIZED the be a positive result?? You mean bring THOSE numbers down?? How???

It's not up to me to tell other how to do that.

This is a forum where people offer their personal opinions, so I offer mine.


Lets just say that if I had a business, I would require masks on my premises. To protect myself and my employees. Since I PERSONALLY believe that asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic spread of ANY contagious illneses is very real and of concern.

Originally Posted by fast4522

I do not believe any American should surrender any liberty's

I haven't surrendered any liberties. I am at liberty to practice healthy behaviors and I exercise that to the full extent possible.

Freedom for me is being able to stay mobile, feel good on a daily basis, run my businesses, and enjoy life.

I'm not penalizing anyone. People who get diseases-of-lifestyle and illness that are entirely avoidable are penalizing themselves. They don't need me to do that for them.

Cultivating behaviors that bring negative health consequences is not a win.
Either is paying high medical bills. For me, that is not freedom.

You're allowed to come up with your own version of what "freedom" is for YOU. I'm just sharing mine.


Trump said he is cancelling his rallies as it's not a good idea for people to be sitting close together. Then there's another Republican candidate who just had a 300+ party to raise $$ for his campaign, masks not required nor social distancing.

See? Everyone gets to do what they want. MY OPINION however, is that certain behaviors WILL negatively impact the economy, and will continue to do so. I'm fine with your disagreeing with my premise.

TO me, it's common sense. You run a biz in a covid hot spot, don't expect tourists etc. to stream in and patronize you. They are "free" to go elsewhere, and many will do just that.

And many won't. Hopefully you can figure out a way to lure that group into your environs.....sort of like how Sturgis is doing.

My personal opinion is that holding Sturgis is a really bad idea. But people are having fun and it's no business of mine. Anyone who went, I would avoid them though. I think they're going to be some super-spreaders returning home. Each region and community can deal with THAT however they see fit. I'm not in control of anything.....I only know how I would do it.

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by clicknow

I have no idea what "at risk" means.

You mean at risk for dying or for catching covid-19?

I know 3 people who have had it. I REALLY do not want to get sick.

But I feel that way about seasonal flu and all those winter viruses as well.

I'm not at risk, even though I am older. I have perfect BMI, weight, blood pressure, and walk 30 miles a week, usually more, and don't eat fast food. My doctors always tells me how many patients they see who if they just did simple stuff they wouldn't be in her office like they are.)

Taking care of my health includes not getting sick.

Not getting diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart disease is also "on you" for everyone. Too bad so many people don't seem to want to put forth the effort not to end up there. Unfortuanately, they are passing along their health care costs to the rest of us by being lazy, but hey, they have freedom to live that way, ya know? It does bring them a lot of unnecessary suffering though, that's the part that makes me sad.

I don't consider illness and bad health to be a form of freedom so I avoid it.

But you feel healthy people owe you and everyone the need to protect you. The high grade PPE available are very effective in protecting you and others, this should be on you and not others. You are ultimately responsible for your own safety and do much to be protected. Again I say private property business has the right to say who enters, that is not in question.

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by fast4522

But you feel healthy people owe you and everyone the need to protect you.

SHOW exactly where I said that.

In my own business establishment, on premises I OWN, yes. I can do what I want. It seems a lot of people don't understand the concept of privately owned businesses.

You don't read too well.


I said I practice healthy behaviors myself. I take that on. I don't GO to places where I feel my health may be put at risk. I don't engage in personal behaviors that I feel put my health at risk. I don't surround myself with people who are practicing what I consider risky behaviors.

I.e. I don't go to, or patronize such premises

Just as people can " take on" not getting heart disease, diabetes, and other diseases of lifestyle. It's up to the individual. they can eat differently, they can quit smoking, quit eating fast foods. I would tell them that IF they asked my opinion. Otherwise, it's up to them to suffer for their freedom to do as they please. I've been to many friends funerals who did just that. I never told them how to live. Its just that that are not livign anymore. They are dead. They had the freedom to die on their own terms.

My terms are very different.

So please, explain to me how I put on others how I engage in everyday activities on anyone else. Or quit trolling me.


As a consumer, with money to spend, I go and do what I feel best works for me. If you have a business that does not require masks, then don't expect me to be there opening my wallet.

That's all. And, believe it or not, many consumers do feel the same way. So, a lot of tourism and such will suffer.

It's always about perception. That is true of every business on the planet. That's why organic hair care is doing so well. women don't want to cover their infants heads with endocrine disruptors. Doesn't matter if YOU believe in that or not.....YOU are free to buy whatever you want.

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by clicknow

SHOW exactly where I said that.

In my own business establishment, on premises I OWN, yes. I can do what I want.

You don't read too well.


I said I practice healthy behaviors myself. I take that on. I don't GO to places where I feel my health may be put at risk. I don't engage in personal behaviors that I feel put my health at risk. I don't surround myself with people who are practicing what I consider risky behaviors.

I.e. I don't go to, or patronize such premises

Just as people can " take on" not getting heart disease, diabetes, and other diseases of lifestyle. It's up to the individual. they can eat differently, they can quit smoking, quit eating fast foods. I would tell them that IF they asked my opinion. Otherwise, it's up to them to suffer for their freedom to do as they please. I've been to many friends funerals who did just that. I never told them how to live. Its just that that are not livign anymore. They are dead. They had the freedom to die on their own terms.

My terms are very different.

What I am suggesting is high grade PPE will protect you, and it is on you.

You evade who is responsible and prefer to impose opinion. Those who are concerned can protect themselves.

[newtothegame]

Originally Posted by clicknow

It's not up to me to tell other how to do that.

This is a forum where people offer their personal opinions, so I offer mine.


Lets just say that if I had a business, I would require masks on my premises. To protect myself and my employees. Since I PERSONALLY believe that asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic spread of ANY contagious illneses is very real and of concern.




I haven't surrendered any liberties. I am at liberty to practice healthy behaviors and I exercise that to the full extent possible.

Freedom for me is being able to stay mobile, feel good on a daily basis, run my businesses, and enjoy life.

I'm not penalizing anyone. People who get diseases-of-lifestyle and illness that are entirely avoidable are penalizing themselves. They don't need me to do that for them.

Cultivating behaviors that bring negative health consequences is not a win.
Either is paying high medical bills. For me, that is not freedom.

You're allowed to come up with your own version of what "freedom" is for YOU. I'm just sharing mine.


Trump said he is cancelling his rallies as it's not a good idea for people to be sitting close together. Then there's another Republican candidate who just had a 300+ party to raise $$ for his campaign, masks not required nor social distancing.

See? Everyone gets to do what they want. MY OPINION however, is that certain behaviors WILL negatively impact the economy, and will continue to do so. I'm fine with your disagreeing with my premise.

TO me, it's common sense. You run a biz in a covid hot spot, don't expect tourists etc. to stream in and patronize you. They are "free" to go elsewhere, and many will do just that.

And many won't. Hopefully you can figure out a way to lure that group into your environs.....sort of like how Sturgis is doing.

My personal opinion is that holding Sturgis is a really bad idea. But people are having fun and it's no business of mine. Anyone who went, I would avoid them though. I think they're going to be some super-spreaders returning home. Each region and community can deal with THAT however they see fit. I'm not in control of anything.....I only know how I would do it.

First off click, your opinions are YOURS and you have every right to them. However, what I am simply suggesting is that your opinions, (just like mine) may be skewed based on information that is being spread by the MSM.

Do you doubt that POSITIVE tests are incentivized? Now if you doubt this, then no need to reply. But, if you agree that they are incentivized, then you also must believe that the numbers are false. It has been shown many times that the numbers are skewed towards a certain agenda.

If you also agree that the above is true, then you should see that the other side of the argument has a valid reason to NOT just follow along like sheep. Here in Louisiana, in most every parish, Masks have been required since late June to early July. Prior to this, our "numbers" were dropping significantly. Since masks were implemented, those same "numbers" have gone up again. How in the hell do you explain that???

You see, what are are being told is not reflective of what is "supposedly" happening. Before anyone jumps in with the two week to incubate thingy, our peak week recently was July 29Th. Thats more then a month since mask were implemented!

Point is the narrative is false by any metric that has been shown. Now there will be those who come back and say "but the numbers"...just as you have! The numbers are being shown to be false EVERY day. Here, look at what LDH (Louisiana Dept of Health) had to put on one of their latest "graphs"... "LDH found and purged 1,666 duplicate cases statewide for multiple dates prior to June 17". And now I am supposed to believe these "numbers"???

I do wish you the best and it looks like you're taking the precautions that you feel best. Amen brother!! Just don't tell me that I need to take the same precautions as we are looking at two totally different stories!!!

[JustRalph]

Anybody seen the 15 minute paper test?

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Anybody seen the 15 minute paper test?

This?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/03/o...rus-tests.html