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09-11-2016, 04:39 PM
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Raider's go for 2
After scoring to get within 1 with less than a minute left, the Raiders go for 2 rather than kick the extra point.
I don't understand the logic. No matter what, NO gets the ball back and only needs a FG to win. NO missed the long field goal so it worked out. But you flipped a coin to avoid OT if NO can't score. And if it had landed tails instead of heads, the Saints sit on the ball and you lose.
It seems like an inordinate amount of risk to avoid OT in a game where your team was playing even with the opponent.
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09-11-2016, 04:45 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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I think against the Saints defense they were roughly 84.73% to make the two pointer.
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09-11-2016, 05:04 PM
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Judging by the game stats, more like 66.67%. But it's not like they could depend on their own defense to stop the Saints.
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09-11-2016, 08:16 PM
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Based on my proprietary algorithm, the success rate of going for 2 points in that scenario was 78.33% (repeating, of course). So the decision to not be conservative and go Leroy Jenkins on the Saints is approved .
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09-11-2016, 10:05 PM
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Pace Cappa
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Still a bold move, I agree with it on the road go for the win !
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09-11-2016, 10:09 PM
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Pat Haden should've tried to get Jack Del Rio.
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09-11-2016, 10:39 PM
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Just another Facist
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What a way to fire up your team? Ballsy.......good for him.
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09-11-2016, 11:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by _______
After scoring to get within 1 with less than a minute left, the Raiders go for 2 rather than kick the extra point.
I don't understand the logic. No matter what, NO gets the ball back and only needs a FG to win. NO missed the long field goal so it worked out. But you flipped a coin to avoid OT if NO can't score. And if it had landed tails instead of heads, the Saints sit on the ball and you lose.
It seems like an inordinate amount of risk to avoid OT in a game where your team was playing even with the opponent.
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It was stupid to go for two in that situation but it worked out for them.
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09-15-2016, 07:56 PM
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Being a Raiders fan, along with NCG and a few others on this site, been a long time since we had a lot to cheer about. I hope DelRio straps on the same set of balls for all the games.
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09-15-2016, 08:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bennie
Being a Raiders fan, along with NCG and a few others on this site, been a long time since we had a lot to cheer about. I hope DelRio straps on the same set of balls for all the games.
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You said it Bennie....it's been more than a decade of one ridiculous move after another. I see so many coaches playing not to lose--late in the game, instead of staying the course. Yeah this took cajones, and if it failed he would have been ridiculed. So what. First time in a long time we aren't considered "the tire-fire across the bay"....that term belongs to the other team across the bay.
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09-15-2016, 10:05 PM
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I'm respectful of all the local fans applauding the end result but I haven't heard many talk about how much sense it made flipping a coin AND giving the ball back to an offense that threw for over 400 yards against you.
You got the coin flip AND managed to avoid the winning FG.
If this were a poker game I'd smile, congratulate him on the win, and rebuy against your coach.
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09-16-2016, 01:45 PM
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The problem with the decision was the 46 seconds on the clock. So TWO things had to happen; they had to make the 2 pt conversion, which was about a 45% likliehood, and they needed to stop a future HOF QB in Brees from driving the Saints into FG position. The outcome ended up positive, but that doesn't mean it was the correct call. If there was less than 10 seconds to play, I would've been fine with it. And if the Raiders were a big underdog, I'd be fine with it as well, as the longer the game goes, the more likely the stronger opponent will win.
Having said all that, I'm looking forward to attending my first game at the Black Hole this Sunday.
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09-16-2016, 07:19 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Valuist
The problem with the decision was the 46 seconds on the clock. So TWO things had to happen; they had to make the 2 pt conversion, which was about a 45% likliehood, and they needed to stop a future HOF QB in Brees from driving the Saints into FG position. The outcome ended up positive, but that doesn't mean it was the correct call. If there was less than 10 seconds to play, I would've been fine with it. And if the Raiders were a big underdog, I'd be fine with it as well, as the longer the game goes, the more likely the stronger opponent will win.
Having said all that, I'm looking forward to attending my first game at the Black Hole this Sunday.
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I agree with most of this but no way it was only 45% to make 2 against that Saints defense.
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09-17-2016, 04:06 AM
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Think the live betting was 46%
Then after they converted Raiders went to 80% ..the 61 yd FG just missed for the guys who took a shot w the short w 45 seconds left
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10-02-2016, 04:27 PM
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3-0 on the road. Road warriors!!! Hide the women and children when the RAIDERS come to town. GO RAIDERS!!!!
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