The Rock Star of Handicapping

[thetripleclowns]

The Rock Star of Handicapping, Jonathon Kinchen, joins the Triple Clowns just in time for a big racing weekend. And AJ finally gets confront him for his sudden but inevitable betrayal at the G2 Pan American this year.

What handicappers do you follow and what is your betting angle?

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[clicknow]

There are rock stars among horse racing handicappers?

I did not know this.

Thanks. (I guess?)

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by clicknow

There are rock stars among horse racing handicappers?

I did not know this.

Thanks. (I guess?)

Wait until I tell you about the groupies.

[classhandicapper]

I like Jonathon as an analyst on the TV shows. You can tell by his comments that he's done a lot of informed work on the replays, biases, and paces of prior races looking for potential value. His notes are often pretty consistent with my own.

[jay68802]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

Wait until I tell you about the groupies.

Do they look like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmeUuoxyt_E

[Suff]

Tried very hard to get that Suffolk shade in when Kichen mentioned Fonner Park. Kitchen, getting good, pivoted out to the manor downs story. He mentioned “all the ny guys tell me stories about it”... that was the signal.

Racetracks weren't ovals where horses ran in circles. It was the people who attended. Aqueduct imho #1. Suffolk in there , top 25 somewhere.

You’re going to tell a story how attending Suffolk Downs was similar to attending Fonner Park? I heard kichen say “ I heard a lot of good stories about it”.

Kichen would of done ok at Suffolk I think. As far as fitting in.

Because he went to Fonner 40 times, I’ll “open the books” and grant him an honorary suffolk status.

[Afleet]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

I like Jonathon as an analyst on the TV shows. You can tell by his comments that he's done a lot of informed work on the replays, biases, and paces of prior races looking for potential value. His notes are often pretty consistent with my own.

I agree; seems like a good guy. Would be fun to play the races with him sometime

[horseplayer]

Originally Posted by Suff

Tried very hard to get that Suffolk shade in when Kichen mentioned Fonner Park. Kitchen, getting good, pivoted out to the manor downs story. He mentioned “all the ny guys tell me stories about it”... that was the signal.

Racetracks weren't ovals where horses ran in circles. It was the people who attended. Aqueduct imho #1. Suffolk in there , top 25 somewhere.

You’re going to tell a story how attending Suffolk Downs was similar to attending Fonner Park? I heard kichen say “ I heard a lot of good stories about it”.

Kichen would of done ok at Suffolk I think. As far as fitting in.

Because he went to Fonner 40 times, I’ll “open the books” and grant him an honorary suffolk status.

YRS - when NY OTB first opened and the only flats were NRA circuit a guy at work put me on to a bookie - anyway the Bookie pulls out an Armstrong scratch sheet and says "you can bet any track on this sheet except
Suffolk there is too much stuff going on up there".

[westernmassbob]

Originally Posted by horseplayer

YRS - when NY OTB first opened and the only flats were NRA circuit a guy at work put me on to a bookie - anyway the Bookie pulls out an Armstrong scratch sheet and says "you can bet any track on this sheet except
Suffolk there is too much stuff going on up there".

Well I can remember several stories my uncle told me that would confirm the “ stuff going on up there “. Of course this would have been the late 70’s, 80’s and 90’s. He had several friends who trained and owned race horses based out of Suffolk area. Most of the race manipulation carried over from Suffolk Downs into the fair circuit in those days.

[Suff]

Originally Posted by horseplayer

YRS - when NY OTB first opened and the only flats were NRA circuit a guy at work put me on to a bookie - anyway the Bookie pulls out an Armstrong scratch sheet and says "you can bet any track on this sheet except
Suffolk there is too much stuff going on up there".

Lotteries are common now, but before States got in the numbers game it was illegal and managed by organized crime. In the Boston rackets, the winning street numbers came from the pools at Suffolk & Rock.

That is how the Italians controlled it. They selected the races and horse.

This is show pool at the Rock. The last digits of the show pool for posts 1, 2 & 3 made the daily number on the street. In this case the daily number was 529.

[Suff]

Originally Posted by westernmassbob

Well I can remember several stories my uncle told me that would confirm the “ stuff going on up there “. Of course this would have been the late 70’s, 80’s and 90’s. He had several friends who trained and owned race horses based out of Suffolk area. Most of the race manipulation carried over from Suffolk Downs into the fair circuit in those days.

Suffolk was an Urban racetrack. In my experience, owners, trainers , jockeys got caught up in Vice. Booze, drugs, women, gambling, guns, loansharks, etc.

When they got into a hole, they’d dig their way out by manipulating race results.

[owlshead]

Originally Posted by Suff

Suffolk was an Urban racetrack. In my experience, owners, trainers , jockeys got caught up in Vice. Booze, drugs, women, gambling, guns, loansharks, etc.

When they got into a hole, they’d dig their way out by manipulating race results.

Hemingway should have written a novel... well the booze, women, gambling and guns part... maybe the loan-sharks? though, benzedrine was probably a thing when he wrote?

[Tom]

I have a book written about Suffolk Downs.
Can't think of the author - I'll look it up and post t - good read.

I used to drive past SD all the time when I went to Salem on business in the 70's and 80s, but never got the chance to stop in......always regretted it. Used to play it a lot when I first got DISH and TVG.

[BarchCapper]

Originally Posted by Tom

I have a book written about Suffolk Downs.
Can't think of the author - I'll look it up and post t - good read.

I used to drive past SD all the time when I went to Salem on business in the 70's and 80s, but never got the chance to stop in......always regretted it. Used to play it a lot when I first got DISH and TVG.

Are you thinking of Bill Veeck's "Thirty Tons a Day" about the season the famed baseball owner spent as GM of Suffolk Downs?

[Robert Fischer]

This was a good episode. I like watching the Youtube videos you put out.


Kinchen is a great personality, and a legitimately strong player.


Great work by the Triple Clowns to land this rising star.