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ArlJim78 · 05-12-2013, 09:45 AM

as the regime melts down, might as well add another scandal to the mix.

Report: Top IRS officials knew in 2011 that conservative groups were targeted

"Details of the inspector general’s audit, obtained by The Washington Post from a congressional aide with knowledge of the findings, revealed that Lois G. Lerner, who oversees tax-exempt groups for the IRS and made the disclosure Friday, knew about the targeting of tea party and other groups in June 2011. In March 2012, IRS Commissioner Douglas H. Shulman told Congress that the agency was not targeting conservative groups that applied for tax-exempt status as “social welfare” groups."
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of course Friday their spokesman apologized and said it's now all taken care of, and that it will never happen again. I believe they also said it was some lower level folks, and that it WASN"T POLITICAL!!

Sorry, I don't think that's going to close the issue there sparky.

just the people you want overseeing your healthcare now isn't it?

elysiantraveller · 05-12-2013, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

as the regime melts down, might as well add another scandal to the mix.

Report: Top IRS officials knew in 2011 that conservative groups were targeted

"Details of the inspector general’s audit, obtained by The Washington Post from a congressional aide with knowledge of the findings, revealed that Lois G. Lerner, who oversees tax-exempt groups for the IRS and made the disclosure Friday, knew about the targeting of tea party and other groups in June 2011. In March 2012, IRS Commissioner Douglas H. Shulman told Congress that the agency was not targeting conservative groups that applied for tax-exempt status as “social welfare” groups."
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of course Friday their spokesman apologized and said it's now all taken care of, and that it will never happen again. I believe they also said it was some lower level folks, and that it WASN"T POLITICAL!!

Sorry, I don't think that's going to close the issue there sparky.

just the people you want overseeing your healthcare now isn't it?

Just NJ Stinks using some of his remaining pull in the Department.

Robert Goren · 05-12-2013, 10:40 AM

While there are many legitimate conservative groups, there are also a ton of of so called groups that stuck "tea party" in their name that are nothing more than a con man with a P O box and a web page. I know of two such operations here in Lincoln that under IRS investigation. There also 4 operations that stuck some reference to Nebraska football in their name being investigated by the IRS. One of the football "groups" is being run by the same guy as one of the "tea party " groups. Another one in Kansas is being run by one my sleazy x-con relatives. I would think that conservatives would want the government to go after the crooks using the conservative movement as means to get their money. 25 years ago these con men stuck stuck "environmental" in their phony associations, today it is "tea party". They have operated on both sides of the abortion issue at one time or another. Same is true of "gay rights" . Same kind of crooks, just a different key word in the name. It is all about which word will get the most money. Remember little, if any of the money goes the cause. I suspect the next key word will be "guns" which probably used to get money from people who want more gun control. There is no well known group opposed to the NRA, so the field is wide open to con men and you better believe plenty will be /are moving in to fill the void. If I were a con man that is where I would be headed. It is not about the politics, it about the money for these guys. Hopefully the IRS is already on top of that too.

elysiantraveller · 05-12-2013, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Goren

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Everything you wrote is completely irrelevant. The fact is they are specifically targeting conservative groups and not liberal groups.

Secondly, the Tea Party Patriots have over a million members and are hardly a "bush league" group.

This my friend is another scandal but keep pounding the partisan drum.

MPRanger · 05-12-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Everything you wrote is completely irrelevant. The fact is they are specifically targeting conservative groups and not liberal groups.

Secondly, the Tea Party Patriots have over a million members and are hardly a "bush league" group.

This my friend is another scandal but keep pounding the partisan drum.

And what he wrote is not true either. In fact almost all the nefarious actors who would steal elections and our democracy or attempt personal gain come right out of the left wing socialist democrat party. If there was the situation that he claimed, if even one person did it, Obama's left wing press would be trumpeting it in headlines. Heck, they lie as it is. If they really had something they would be proud as plums.

Tom · 05-12-2013, 11:27 AM

The point.................................................. ............................Goren

newtothegame · 05-12-2013, 01:10 PM

Now I am sure there was something in relation to discrimination of particular groups.......somewhere.....hmmmm....

Nahh, nothing to see here.......move along people....

Nevermind that this government, (led by liberals no less) are specifically targeting conservative groups........

And isn't this the same group (the IRS) who is to oversee the Obamacare?? lmao ...sweet!!!

Ocala Mike · 05-12-2013, 02:52 PM

This scandal, to me, is worse than Benghazi; I don't know why the R's are invested more in the latter than they should be, although I guess it's more about Hillary in 2016 than Barry now.

When I worked as an Income Tax Auditor (like NJ STINKS, but for NY State, not IRS), we had some rather ingenious methods for "targeting" our audits, BUT NEVER POLITICALLY BASED. I remember being told by my superiors to take down Florida license plate numbers whenever we saw them in the Long Island, NY area (my base) in order to crosscheck the owners against NY-owned properties for further investigation into whether they might have been NY residents claiming FL residency ("snowbirds"), one of the most productive audit issues we had, and my specialty.

tucker6 · 05-12-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

This scandal, to me, is worse than Benghazi; I don't know why the R's are invested more in the latter than they should be, although I guess it's more about Hillary in 2016 than Barry now.

When I worked as an Income Tax Auditor (like NJ STINKS, but for NY State, not IRS), we had some rather ingenious methods for "targeting" our audits, BUT NEVER POLITICALLY BASED. I remember being told by my superiors to take down Florida license plate numbers whenever we saw them in the Long Island, NY area (my base) in order to crosscheck the owners against NY-owned properties for further investigation into whether they might have been NY residents claiming FL residency ("snowbirds"), one of the most productive audit issues we had, and my specialty.

which is why I don't screw around with those sorts of things. My BIL is doing that exact thing between PA and SC, and it's not worth it. And I wonder why he has a persecution complex.

elysiantraveller · 05-12-2013, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

This scandal, to me, is worse than Benghazi; I don't know why the R's are invested more in the latter than they should be, although I guess it's more about Hillary in 2016 than Barry now.

Lying to the American people 2 months before a National Election and then lying that you lied about it while at the same time using it as a club against your opponent should be a pretty big deal... but I digress...

Robert Goren · 05-12-2013, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MPRanger

And what he wrote is not true either. In fact almost all the nefarious actors who would steal elections and our democracy or attempt personal gain come right out of the left wing socialist democrat party. If there was the situation that he claimed, if even one person did it, Obama's left wing press would be trumpeting it in headlines. Heck, they lie as it is. If they really had something they would be proud as plums.

Go ahead and give your money to some con man trumpeting the conservative cause. It is your money and if you want to give it to some con man, it is ok by me. Just don't say you weren't warned when he spends it living it up instead on pushing the conservative agenda. I know as liberal I should love it when a conservative wastes his money, but I just hate to see anyone, even a conservative, get taken by a con man.
How many groups are there with a "tea party" in their name. There must be at least a couple hundred. And you are telling me they are all legit. Come on man, get real!
Like said in my other post, the con men are/will be moving on to to gun control. I got two letters in the mail last week asking for money from groups claiming to want tougher gun laws. I expect a lot more. None will get any money from me even though I support tougher gun laws. It is not about politics with these crooks, it is about getting your and my money any way they can. They aren't any different from hucksters who sent you the letters a couple weeks ago trying to sell the winner of the Kentucky Derby.

elysiantraveller · 05-12-2013, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Goren

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Still changing the subject?

Its okay for the IRS to go after conservative "con men" but not liberal "con men?"

That's essentially what you are saying....

Robert Goren · 05-12-2013, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Still changing the subject?

Its okay for the IRS to go after conservative "con men" but not liberal "con men?"

That's essentially what you are saying....

No. Are you saying they don't go after "liberal " con men? If so, I think you are wrong. For instance in 1960s, when the "anti war" movement (the last big political movement until the tea party came along) was ripe with con men, like tea party movement is now, the IRS went after them. Not one conservative said one word back then.

Saratoga_Mike · 05-12-2013, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Goren

No. Are you saying they don't go after "liberal " con men? If so, I think you are wrong. For instance in 1960s, when the "anti war" movement (the last big political movement until the tea party came along) was ripe with con men, like tea party movement is now, the IRS went after them. Not one conservative said one word back then.

To quote Jay Carney, that was a "long time ago." Let's stick with the current century Goren.

Robert Goren · 05-12-2013, 05:16 PM

To the con men, it not about liberal or conservative, it about what word or words will bring in the most money. In 2010-2012, the words was "tea party". I don't know why the conservatives don't see that. I guess they must have some sort of idea that a con man would not dare to use the words "tea party" in their pitch. It is about the con men, not the political movement. They must want the con men in the Tea Party movement to given a free pass to steal conseratives's money.