The coronavirus

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

Makes perfect sense.
We were infiltrated by the Chinese via Europe.

Did you ever happen to think how many Americans
returned from infected countries all over the world?
This went on for weeks and months.

Heck, a US female journalist came back via JFK from covering the spread
in Italy without even as much as a question about her health or exposure.
This was in early March, too.

For way too long, there was zero health screening at our international airports.
Little or nothing to do with the Chinese at that point.

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Nonsense. If Trump was so far ahead in his thinking...we would have enough face masks and cotton swabs.

You're both quite funny tonight, I'd give you points but the site won't let me....Brilliant stuff, keep it coming guys....That's right, I lumped you both together...I can't tell you two apart...

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by davew

A hospital in NYC tested all women coming into the maternity ward and 15% tested positive for CV19 and were not showing symptoms. Either the present infection rate is very much higher than previously thought or the incubation period is much longer than ever seen before in a virus.

Proving once again, we acted drastically based on absolutely 100% flawed and dirty information.

LISTEN TO THE SCIENTISTS (the familiar cry of the liberal thrown at that MORON TRUMP) never sounded more stupid as it does right now.

The SCIENTISTS didn't know JACK SHITE about this "novel" virus...and it shows.

They did NOTHING innovative...nothing HEROIC...nothing EARTH SHATTERING....they told you to go hide and live in terror for a month...oh...and go on unemployment while you're at it.

LISTEN TO THE SCIENCE they scream....lulz

[PaceAdvantage]

"a revision by New York City to include deaths presumed to be due to the novel coronavirus but never tested"

So NYC is including deaths "presumed" to be COVID-19 in the official figures, but never tested.

How interesting...

I'm guessing they aren't the only ones. That might be one good reason why flu-related pneumonia is down wildly this year...and people wonder why I post the things that I do.

So now we're not only dealing with numbers lower than expected...we're dealing with INFLATED numbers that are lower than expected...and people wonder why I post the things that I do.

[Poindexter]

Originally Posted by clicknow

Since you're not afraid of Covid, on March 14th, given that the usual attendance for the Rebel Stakes is 35K-55K, you would have gone, right?

Not me. But I would not have stopped you from going.


Honestly on March 14th I would have gone if I had any interest and I lived anywhere close. But I think we all realize that probably is not such a good idea at this point, so I don't think you would see anywhere near that number. Probably the crowd would be low enough for proper social distancing. So yes, if I had a desire to go to the track next weekend, I think the crowd would be low enough where I doubt I would be in much jeopardy of catching covid 19, unless the said track was in NY or Jersey or Louisiana or Michigan.

My personal belief is that certain areas of the economy have (and will) shut down due to disease.

At Smithfield almost 300 of their employees are Covid 19 positive......a number that makes up over half of the positive cases for their entire state of South Dakota........which is now one of the largest single Covid "clusters" anywhere in the United States. All at a single employer. So the company was forced to announce the indefinite closure of the facility which in turn hurts the U.S. food supply.

So one business has as outbreak of a good percentage of their employees, so we must keep the country shut down for how long? 1 year? 2 years? You keep the economy shut down that long, a lot of people will wish they were dead. It can get really ugly out there and the msm will not have to shoot footage out of Italy and pretend it is the US. They can just point the cameras right out of their studios.



Wrong, right? But when you have stuff like Smithfield happening employees are just not going to come to work. So production suffers anyway. Maybe enough that they can't turn a profit and temporily shut down anyway.

What if Sturgis was held at the end of April instead of August? Think they'd get turnout? Looks like an economic fail to me.

The market should dictate which businesses survives or fails, not a mandate from some power hungry politicians. I get the point, this virus is very contagious. For some it will prove deadly. Social distancing needs to be a way of life now. Large crowds currently are unacceptable. I can even deal with the face mask law inside of businesses. Do we need to give up every facet of our lives and wait from a paltry check from the US Government and get further in debt. Have you looked at the business bailout program, it is a joke. It is just a weak attempt at having businesses rehire their employees so the government has less of a financial burden.






......"let people do what they want" : If they want to travel, or go on cruises, fly on airplanes, go visit The Great Wall of China, or to a celebration that is like "Mardi Gras in May" or go to Spring Break....why are we stopping them?

I think most people are a little more intelligent than you give them credit for. The ones that aren't will get the disease. That is life. If I eat 3 bags of Oreos and a 12 pak of soda every day, I am going to get diabetes and die a miserable death. Do we need to outlaw Oreos and Soda.

Some will answer that those who went to Mardi Gras, and Spring Break, most likely brought or left w/disease which spread into their respective communities. They helped overwhelm many of the health care systems where they live.

Too bad......right?

But not too bad for you. You can stay home and avoid them. Health care workers and doctors have to try to save lives.

At least they have a job. Half the country is trapped at home waiting for the magical moment when they can have any kind of life back and hoping that they haven't gone so far in debt to their landlord that they will be homeless when this is all over. Health Care is going to have to figure out their own issues and health care workers are free to leave their jobs and become unemployed like the rest of America if they aren't willing to take the risk



Let me remind you that there has been little to no shutdown of essential industries.

That does a lot of good to 90% of the businesses that are not deemed essential that just accumulate more and more bills waiting for the magic moment when they can reopen, whatever year that might be.

Which ones do you think are essential that should have been included? If they opened Oaklawn casino tomorrow........very few people would go, and they'd spend more $$ on electricty and staff to keep it going.

The economy isn't entirely controlled by govt edicts. Our gov has zero stay at home ORDERS in place. Come here and talk to some business owners. They closed because people DID do as they like......they decided to exercize an abundance of caution and not run around to stores.

Look, I own a business. I was open up until are clown Mayor(Garcetti) announced that all non essential businesses must close. Our Governor followed up with a state mandate. I wasn't doing great, but it was just me, and at least the 10 to 15 or so people that bought something daily helped me pay bills. The number of people that enter my store on a daily basis is surpassed by Target in about 1 minute-so Social Distancing is not an issue. But they are "essential" and my business is not, so I have to close. Maybe at this point I would be doing virtually no business and would have shut down myself, anyway. I just want to live in a country where I have that choice. Up until 2020, I did. Now I have no idea where I live, but I don't like it. Personal freedom and liberty is a very serious subject. In the narrative of saving lives we have stomped on these values that has always been who we are. I don't know if there is any going back. This precedent is bad, no matter how you look at it. Somewhere down the line when are freedoms are gone we will look back at these days and wonder how we let them slip away. Hopefully, this is an overreaction, but I am not so sure.

I repeat, the cure at this point does seem a lot worse than the disease. JMO

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

"a revision by New York City to include deaths presumed to be due to the novel coronavirus but never tested"

So NYC is including deaths "presumed" to be COVID-19 in the official figures, but never tested.

My wife started watching NBC nightly news and this was the same storyline.....She got up turned the TV off, said I've had a enough of this nonsense, we then proceeded to drive to Culver's Drive-thru in South Carolina, ordered some "butter" burgers, crinkle-cut fries, and their homemade root beer....Ate in our car in the parking lot, listening to Steely Dan and just reminiscing about the good ol' days....Great for the soul.

[JerryBoyle]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

"a revision by New York City to include deaths presumed to be due to the novel coronavirus but never tested"

So NYC is including deaths "presumed" to be COVID-19 in the official figures, but never tested.

How interesting...

I'm guessing they aren't the only ones. That might be one good reason why flu-related pneumonia is down wildly this year...and people wonder why I post the things that I do.

So now we're not only dealing with numbers lower than expected...we're dealing with INFLATED numbers that are lower than expected...and people wonder why I post the things that I do.

People constantly tout the fact that there are underreported infected because of lack of tests hence lower mortality rate (which is fair), yet you think it shouldn't work the other way? There are absolutely people who are dying who aren't tested or are dying due to other causes because hospitals are overwhelmed. Those deaths should be reported as well.

It blows my mind that you're minimizing the seriousness based on the numbers reported so far after all of these preventative actions have been taken. Even with those preventions, we're approaching 30k deaths and there are stories of hospitals being absolutely overwhelmed. Yet it's not that bad? Come on man.

[wisconsin]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

Culver's

Founded right here in Wisconsin. They owned an A & W stand in Sauk City and their son even worked at a McDonalds...

Love that food...glad it made it's way to your area.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by JerryBoyle

People constantly tout the fact that there are underreported infected because of lack of tests hence lower mortality rate (which is fair), yet you think it shouldn't work the other way? There are absolutely people who are dying who aren't tested or are dying due to other causes because hospitals are overwhelmed. Those deaths should be reported as well.

It blows my mind that you're minimizing the seriousness based on the numbers reported so far after all of these preventative actions have been taken. Even with those preventions, we're approaching 30k deaths and there are stories of hospitals being absolutely overwhelmed. Yet it's not that bad? Come on man.

No, you come on.

And it is MORE THAN "THAT BAD."

IT'S ABSOLUTELY 100% OUT OF YOUR MIND HORRIBLE.

It blows MY MIND that you are accepting of it all.

2017-2018....over 800,000 hospitalized in USA for flu...61,000 deaths...not a peep from you on here.

And I'm the bad guy?

[riskman]

Then there are articles like this one.Is this for real? What the he'll is going on here in the USA? It sounds like a science fiction or fantasy author.Has the entire country gone out of their mind? When does had dream end!

https://ussanews.com/News1/2020/04/1...national-debt/

[Jeff P]

Then of course there's this --

Stanford professor claims coronavirus death rate 'likely orders of magnitude lower' than first thought:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/stanfo...rus-death-rate

Stanford University professor of medicine Dr. Jay Bhattacharya told "Tucker Carlson Tonight" Tuesday that he believes the actual death rate from the coronavirus pandemic is "likely orders of magnitude lower than the initial estimates."

"Per case, I don't think it's as deadly as people thought," Bhattacharya told host Tucker Carlson. " ... The World Health Organization put an estimate out that was, I think, initially 3.4 percent. It's very unlikely it is anywhere near that. It's it's much likely, much closer to the death rate that you see from the flu per case."

"The problem, of course, is that we don't have a vaccine," Bhattacharya added. "So in that sense, it's more deadly and more widespread than the flu, and it overwhelms hospital systems, the ways the flu doesn't."

The professor predicted that forthcoming research would give scientstists and health officials a "much more accurate understanding of how widespread this is."

"It really seems like there's many, many cases of the virus that we haven't identified with the testing regimens that we've got around the world," he said. "Many orders of magnitude more people have been infected with it, I think. I think that we realize that ... means that ... the death rate is actually lower than people realize, also by orders of magnitude."

-jp

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[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Proving once again, we acted drastically based on absolutely 100% flawed and dirty information.

LISTEN TO THE SCIENTISTS (the familiar cry of the liberal thrown at that MORON TRUMP) never sounded more stupid as it does right now.

The SCIENTISTS didn't know JACK SHITE about this "novel" virus...and it shows.

They did NOTHING innovative...nothing HEROIC...nothing EARTH SHATTERING....they told you to go hide and live in terror for a month...oh...and go on unemployment while you're at it.

LISTEN TO THE SCIENCE they scream....lulz

Scientists know more than the president does.

You know the 15 down to zero President.

Allan

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

No, you come on.

And it is MORE THAN "THAT BAD."

IT'S ABSOLUTELY 100% OUT OF YOUR MIND HORRIBLE.

It blows MY MIND that you are accepting of it all.

2017-2018....over 800,000 hospitalized in USA for flu...61,000 deaths...not a peep from you on here.

And I'm the bad guy?

25k dead in one month.

It’s more serious that the flu.

Not sure how you think.

But it takes all kinds, I guess.

Allan

[sammy the sage]

Originally Posted by Poindexter

Look, I own a business. I was open up until are clown Mayor(Garcetti) announced that all non essential businesses must close. Our Governor followed up with a state mandate. I wasn't doing great, but it was just me, and at least the 10 to 15 or so people that bought something daily helped me pay bills. The number of people that enter my store on a daily basis is surpassed by Target in about 1 minute-so Social Distancing is not an issue. But they are "essential" and my business is not, so I have to close. Maybe at this point I would be doing virtually no business and would have shut down myself, anyway. I just want to live in a country where I have that choice. Up until 2020, I did. Now I have no idea where I live, but I don't like it. Personal freedom and liberty is a very serious subject. In the narrative of saving lives we have stomped on these values that has always been who we are. I don't know if there is any going back. This precedent is bad, no matter how you look at it. Somewhere down the line when are freedoms are gone we will look back at these days and wonder how we let them slip away. Hopefully, this is an overreaction, but I am not so sure.

I repeat, the cure at this point does seem a lot worse than the disease. JMO

sharp post...

[JerryBoyle]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

No, you come on.

And it is MORE THAN "THAT BAD."

IT'S ABSOLUTELY 100% OUT OF YOUR MIND HORRIBLE.

It blows MY MIND that you are accepting of it all.

2017-2018....over 800,000 hospitalized in USA for flu...61,000 deaths...not a peep from you on here.

And I'm the bad guy?

If we're still at "it's just the flu", and you can't or don't want to recognize what's wrong with the comparison above then there's nothing to say

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

25k dead in one month.

It’s more serious that the flu.

Not sure how you think.

But it takes all kinds, I guess.

Allan

And what has the great and wise super-human Bill Gates contributed to help with this pandemic he foresaw and invested $billions of dollars into by buying huge pharma companies.

Absolutely nothing because he doesn't really want to help unless there is money in it for him.