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Old 06-19-2019, 09:24 PM   #391
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Old 06-20-2019, 02:20 AM   #392
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Not again?
No. Way worse.
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Old 06-20-2019, 08:17 AM   #393
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Iran still on offense...

This is where our policy would lead to...

Iran shoots down U.S. military drone in Gulf region
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Old 06-20-2019, 08:30 AM   #394
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Iran still on offense...

This is where our policy would lead to...

Iran shoots down U.S. military drone in Gulf region
Hey ely...long time no see around here...

But seriously...ooooooooo noooooooooo...they shot down a drone.


Wait for it.....







<<gasp>>
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Old 06-20-2019, 09:47 AM   #395
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Hey ely...long time no see around here...

But seriously...ooooooooo noooooooooo...they shot down a drone.


Wait for it.....







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Old 06-20-2019, 10:34 AM   #396
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Hey ely...long time no see around here...

But seriously...ooooooooo noooooooooo...they shot down a drone.


Wait for it.....







<<gasp>>
I know you would have said the same during Obama.
It was just a drone.....mhmmmm....just a drone.
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Old 06-20-2019, 10:52 AM   #397
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I know you would have said the same during Obama.
It was just a drone.....mhmmmm....just a drone.
There was also some strikes at the Exxon facilityin Basra yesterday. Basra is 100% Shia so it removes all doubt it was a Iranian proxy.

These pinpricks do a few things.

Demonstrates Iranian capability region wide.

Puts us on our back foot. Instead of Iran reacting to us we're reacting to Iran.

Goading us into possibly overreacting.

I said it earlier... Iran has done the math and come to the conclusion a limited conflict with the US is a net positive for them. I don't see how but it doesn't matter what I see they obviously believe it as their actions prove it.... unless it's...

Demonstrates how piss poor our standing is with the international community.

Everyone knows Iran is behind these developments but apparently they don't give a damn. They view the US's withdrawal and Maximum Pressure campaign as the root cause of all of this and are pissed at us more than Iran. They're giving Iran victim status.

Trump is apparently threat-tweeting so we'll see our next response now...

He probably has to lay some boom down now... issue is determining what level of force to use. Needs to be vicious enough to get everyone's attention but not so much to really rock the boat.
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Old 06-20-2019, 11:00 AM   #398
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There was also some strikes at the Exxon facilityin Basra yesterday. Basra is 100% Shia so it removes all doubt it was a Iranian proxy.

These pinpricks do a few things.

Demonstrates Iranian capability region wide.

Puts us on our back foot. Instead of Iran reacting to us we're reacting to Iran.

Goading us into possibly overreacting.

I said it earlier... Iran has done the math and come to the conclusion a limited conflict with the US is a net positive for them. I don't see how but it doesn't matter what I see they obviously believe it as their actions prove it.... unless it's...

Demonstrates how piss poor our standing is with the international community.

Everyone knows Iran is behind these developments but apparently they don't give a damn. They view the US's withdrawal and Maximum Pressure campaign as the root cause of all of this and are pissed at us more than Iran. They're giving Iran victim status.

Trump is apparently threat-tweeting so we'll see our next response now...

He probably has to lay some boom down now... issue is determining what level of force to use. Needs to be vicious enough to get everyone's attention but not so much to really rock the boat.
Meanwhile, the Dow keeps soaring.
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Old 06-20-2019, 12:04 PM   #399
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Just to be clear here, Ely......who's side are you on?
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Old 06-20-2019, 12:44 PM   #400
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Just to be clear here, Ely......who's side are you on?
I love these moronic comments from you... Its the ultimate sign you have nothing to bring to a discussion.

We shouldn't be in this spot. This position we find ourselves in is the direct result of our reneging and then applying maximum pressure on a regime that was in compliance. We made this bed and I've been saying that since last year.

That said, it doesn't matter now how we got here. This is where we're at. We have very limited policy options due to our previous decisions.

Allowing attacks on civilian merchant shipping has NEVER been the modus operandi of the United States so our failure to swiftly retaliate has further emboldened the Iranians. Its also a major depart for us.

Trump has basically only two options at his disposal.

1. Capitulate and rejoin the the JCPOA and drop the sanctions.
2. Slap back with enough force that it quiets things down while not; further alienating our rivals or instigating a larger conflict. Its a difficult order.

Or I guess:

3. Some weird face-saving combo of 2 then 1.

Personally, I would choose 2. I wouldn't find myself in this spot. Have warned we would eventually land in this spot. But still 2... The United States has a global commitment to ensuring freedom of navigation and that's a rule break I can't let go unpunished.

Now you'll say I'm being unfair to Trump since there isn't a way he can "win" in this showdown. I'll say that's BS as I said over a year ago we were placing ourselves in a unwinnable scenario and was chastised by many on here.

"Please call us so we can make a deal" is a nonsense policy position. Iran is forcing Trump now to make real decisions. I said what mine would be.
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Old 06-20-2019, 12:50 PM   #401
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I am waiting for John Kerry to tell us what to do regarding Iran and what happened today.
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Old 06-20-2019, 12:52 PM   #402
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The United States has a global commitment to ensuring freedom of navigation and that's a rule break I can't let go unpunished.
Why just the United States?
There are 195 countries in the world.
Why does the United States have to be the "Moral Policeman."
Don't most of those other nations have an obligation too re: freedom of navigation?
Shouldn't the United Nations be doing more too?
Your thinking is outdated and reflects why the U.S. took so many unnecessary casualties in Viet Nam, and is still mired in Afghanistan.
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Old 06-20-2019, 12:58 PM   #403
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Why just the United States?
Because I don't want the Russians or Chinese or anybody else for that matter doing it.

Supremacy over global commerce is a strategic net positive for the United States.

Its also quite humorous that now you want the UN to get involved...

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Old 06-20-2019, 01:04 PM   #404
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How much was this thing worth, 5 million? Just trying to understand how much this cost the taxpayers today.
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Old 06-20-2019, 01:26 PM   #405
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How much was this thing worth, 5 million? Just trying to understand how much this cost the taxpayers today.
$150 Million or approximately 4 or 5 Mueller investigations if you're one of "those" people.

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