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10-25-2018, 06:26 PM
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If there had been no slide rule it would have just been another ho hum day
at the races. Just thinking about it brought a smile to my face and its not
many days I came home from the races with a smile and a few bucks in my
pocket. The money I saved by not betting and trying to help out.
Last edited by timtam; 10-25-2018 at 06:28 PM.
Reason: added a sentence
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10-25-2018, 06:59 PM
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Almost all the ADWs and tracks have probable payouts on their sites. If you can't be bothered to click around, I multiply the win payout by the place. It's usually pretty close but not always.
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10-25-2018, 07:21 PM
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what an easy game.
Join Date: Dec 2002
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STARTING AT 4 MINUTES TO POST, I DOWNLOAD THE WPS AND EXACTA POOLS FROM AN ON LINE ADW SITE
WITH ABOUT 1 MINUTE OR LESS TO POST, I CALCULATE THE EXACTA FAIR VALUE AND COMPARE IT TO THE PROBABLE PAYOUT OUT.
LOTS OF OVERLAYS SAY 4 MINUTES TO POST, LESS AT 3 MINUTES EVEN LESS AT 2 MIN, LESS AND LESS AS YOU APPROACH POST.
SUGGESTION TO OTHERS INTERESTED IN MAKING MONEY USING THIS KIND OF ENDEAVOR.. KEEP THE DAY JOB 
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Last edited by formula_2002; 10-25-2018 at 07:34 PM.
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10-25-2018, 08:31 PM
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data from adw into excel
How do you import the data into excel from the adw?
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10-25-2018, 10:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timtam
If there had been no slide rule it would have just been another ho hum day
at the races. Just thinking about it brought a smile to my face and its not
many days I came home from the races with a smile and a few bucks in my
pocket. The money I saved by not betting and trying to help out.
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You dont need no stinking slide rule
A simple chart suffices and is 100x faster
The rule is just a gimmick for rubes
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10-26-2018, 12:05 AM
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what an easy game.
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 43,096
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypnotist1
How do you import the data into excel from the adw?
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I WROTE A PROGRAM FOR IT
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GOD BLESS AMERICA
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Winston Churchill
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10-26-2018, 07:33 AM
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import program
Would you be interested in selling it Formula 2000?
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10-26-2018, 07:45 AM
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what an easy game.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypnotist1
Would you be interested in selling it Formula 2000?
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I have a lot of fun with it but it's not "user friendly". 
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10-26-2018, 10:35 AM
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what an easy game.
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HERE IS MY EXACTA OVERLAY CHART FOR 6TH AT BELMONT ON 10-25-2018
THE 3/5 $1 TRACK EXACTA PAYOUT WAS $6.90
THE $1 WIN BET ON THE 3 HORSE WAS $3.50
THE $1 EXACTA FAIR VALUE WAS $6.72
THE TOTAL BET ON ALL OVERLAYS WAS $363, GIVING A $1 RETURN OF $2.05 ON THE EXACTA OVERLAY PLAYS
YOU WOULD HAVE DONE MUCH BETTER PLAYING THE 3 TO WIN
YOUR $1 RETURN WAS $3.50
THE BELMONT WIN POOL TAKEOUT IS 15%, THE EXAC17.5%
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Winston Churchill
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10-26-2018, 04:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AltonKelsey
You dont need no stinking slide rule
A simple chart suffices and is 100x faster
The rule is just a gimmick for rubes
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My old eyes must be playing tricks with me but I think I see a slide rule on
YOUR picture. Your not a rube are you
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10-26-2018, 06:00 PM
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Location: Louisville, KY
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a couple of you misunderstood or I did not explain well enough. I know how to look at the probales, what I wanted was to be able to bet the 8th race around the post time of the 1st because I am working and cannot sit in front of the computer or get on my phone for one reason
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10-26-2018, 07:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Parson
a couple of you misunderstood or I did not explain well enough. I know how to look at the probales, what I wanted was to be able to bet the 8th race around the post time of the 1st because I am working and cannot sit in front of the computer or get on my phone for one reason
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Couldn't you use Formula's formula(see what I did there) and instead of actual odds use the ML odds? Should put you in the ballpark over a lot of races.(edit) and using Alton's idea, build a chart showing all possible ML Win odds on the left side with all the possible ML place horse odds at the top. It probably wouldn't hurt to have several charts, one with 6 or fewer horses, one with 7-8 horses and one with 9 or more horsew.
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10-27-2018, 01:46 PM
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what an easy game.
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Posts: 43,096
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypnotist1
FORMULA
CAN YOU PLEASE DO A FAIR VALUE FOR QUINELLAS PLEASE
THANK YOU HYPNOTIST1
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I WOULD SUM THE FAIR VALUE OF THE A/B + B/A EXACTAS AND THEN DIVIDE BY 2
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Winston Churchill
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10-31-2018, 07:05 PM
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Estimated Winner's mutuel times Placer's mutuel has been useful for me, rounding both to whole dollars.
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11-01-2018, 06:44 PM
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I have found that multiplying the win price by the place price of the horse coming in second consistently generates a reasonable estimate of the actual exacta payoff.
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