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07-21-2018, 10:46 PM
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#121
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Originally Posted by Johng032
Well played today. Nice photo in the last at Saratoga.
Tourneys are very addictive. I’ve been sucking wind lately but there will be another one tomorrow.
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Its funny, they can be random in terms of results where you dont feel like you have tons of control.
I took the collar today at Saratoga.
Did well at Del Mar.
Not sure there was much difference in the handicapping, just the way the races shook out.
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07-22-2018, 01:30 AM
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#122
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
Are Gulfstream's races tomorrow tough?
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Where do you stand?
Just went back for my third look.
Immediately saw something and changed a play.
What do you think of the card?
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07-22-2018, 02:01 AM
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#123
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Originally Posted by v j stauffer
Where do you stand?
Just went back for my third look.
Immediately saw something and changed a play.
What do you think of the card?
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I don't know if they'll be on the turf...and I am at a poker game that figures to go on until at least 5 am. If they end up OFF the turf...there will be a lot of bleary-eyed handicapping going on early tomorrow. Tough card, IMO...but then again...it's a tough game.
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07-22-2018, 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
I don't know if they'll be on the turf...and I am at a poker game that figures to go on until at least 5 am. If they end up OFF the turf...there will be a lot of bleary-eyed handicapping going on early tomorrow. Tough card, IMO...but then again...it's a tough game.
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I just checked the weather. If it rains it doesn't look like it will be until about half way through the card.
Won't be nearly as much fun it they do come off.
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07-22-2018, 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by v j stauffer
I just checked the weather. If it rains it doesn't look like it will be until about half way through the card.
Won't be nearly as much fun it they do come off.
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A lot to worry about for a measly $20...IMO. But the added benefit of getting to meet you up close makes it worth the effort. How involved have you become in the Vegas poker scene, Vic...or do you confine yourself strictly to horses?
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07-22-2018, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
A lot to worry about for a measly $20...IMO. But the added benefit of getting to meet you up close makes it worth the effort. How involved have you become in the Vegas poker scene, Vic...or do you confine yourself strictly to horses?
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I play very little Poker.
TVG, Tournaments & officiating keep me plenty busy.
I've got two more races to do. Then I think I'll be ready.
Gonna get up early.
Bet $100 on Francesco Molinari at +6500 before the start of the 3rd round.
He shot 65 yesterday and sits 3 shots back. He tees off at 6:35. Playing with Tiger which is either very good or very bad.
Should be fun to watch.
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07-22-2018, 01:47 PM
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#127
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Originally Posted by v j stauffer
I play very little Poker.
TVG, Tournaments & officiating keep me plenty busy.
I've got two more races to do. Then I think I'll be ready.
Gonna get up early.
Bet $100 on Francesco Molinari at +6500 before the start of the 3rd round.
He shot 65 yesterday and sits 3 shots back. He tees off at 6:35. Playing with Tiger which is either very good or very bad.
Should be fun to watch.
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Congrats on Molinari.
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07-22-2018, 02:04 PM
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#128
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Quote:
Originally Posted by v j stauffer
I play very little Poker.
TVG, Tournaments & officiating keep me plenty busy.
I've got two more races to do. Then I think I'll be ready.
Gonna get up early.
Bet $100 on Francesco Molinari at +6500 before the start of the 3rd round.
He shot 65 yesterday and sits 3 shots back. He tees off at 6:35. Playing with Tiger which is either very good or very bad.
Should be fun to watch.
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Ok. Got one winner in.
Now going after the one that matters.
Here's we go Mr. Thask
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07-22-2018, 02:46 PM
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can we go back a little and discuss strategy a little more?
Vic and Mr. Courtney mentioned price points in tournaments. I think Vic mentioned he likes to average around $8 when its all said and done. Mr. Courtney $11? Does that mean you will never use a short priced favorite in a tournament?
I noticed a guy today used a 1/9 shot (it won) in a feeder for the big tournament today at HorseTourneys. Is it even worth using a horse with such low odds?
Last edited by JeremyJet; 07-22-2018 at 02:56 PM.
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07-22-2018, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JeremyJet
can we go back a little and discuss strategy a little more?
Vic and Mr. Courtney mentioned price points in tournaments. I think Vic mentioned he likes to average around $8 when its all said and done. Mr. Courtney $11? Does that mean you will never use a prohibited favorite in a tournament?
I noticed a guy today used a 1/9 shot (it won) in a feeder for the big tournament today at HorseTourneys. Is it even worth using a horse with such low odds?
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Tournaments are won by very small margins. A winning 1/9 gets the player back either $4.40 or $4.20.
Sometimes that makes a very big difference.
There are also times where tactics in trying to a hold a lead will cause a player to try to anticipate an opponents selection and match it.
Tournaments are a VERY different animal indeed.
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07-22-2018, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by v j stauffer
Ok. Got one winner in.
Now going after the one that matters.
Here's we go Mr. Thask
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1 Dimitrios Patouhas - Entry 1 $0.00 2 3 6 7 8 3 4 2 View Details
2 victor stauffer - Entry 1 $0.00 5 1 2 4 8 1 4 5
Thask aka *CEW breaks on top.
Notice only have 2 selections that are the same.
Here we go!
* Chalk Eating Weasel
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07-22-2018, 03:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by v j stauffer
Tournaments are won by very small margins. A winning 1/9 gets the player back either $4.40 or $4.20.
Sometimes that makes a very big difference.
There are also times where tactics in trying to a hold a lead will cause a player to try to anticipate an opponents selection and match it.
Tournaments are a VERY different animal indeed.
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Well said.
In short, tournaments are parimuteual wagering on steroids. You are not only playing the race, but also have to consider your opponent(s) and their wagering strategy(s) at any point in time.
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07-22-2018, 03:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JeremyJet
I noticed a guy today used a 1/9 shot (it won) in a feeder for the big tournament today at HorseTourneys. Is it even worth using a horse with such low odds?
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Keep your eye on him and see if he continues that betting pattern, and where he ends up. If he's consistently betting favorites I don't think he'll be in the top 10 or 20. Is it a pick-and-pray? I can't fathom anyone betting a 1/9 purposely in a tournament. The place horse at decent odds would earn you more.
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07-22-2018, 03:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JeremyJet
can we go back a little and discuss strategy a little more?
Vic and Mr. Courtney mentioned price points in tournaments. I think Vic mentioned he likes to average around $8 when its all said and done. Mr. Courtney $11? Does that mean you will never use a short priced favorite in a tournament?
I noticed a guy today used a 1/9 shot (it won) in a feeder for the big tournament today at HorseTourneys. Is it even worth using a horse with such low odds?
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With all due respect to Mr. Courtney.
I must reiterate that averaging $11.00 per race would cuase him to winabout 90% of all contests offered.
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07-22-2018, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Mulerider
Keep your eye on him and see if he continues that betting pattern, and where he ends up. If he's consistently betting favorites I don't think he'll be in the top 10 or 20. Is it a pick-and-pray? I can't fathom anyone betting a 1/9 purposely in a tournament. The place horse at decent odds would earn you more.
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In tournaments each race offers a finite amount points.
If a 1/9 shot is used and wins. And the place horse pays less than $4.40 the player has maximized the tactical potential of that race.
I wouldn't recommend doing it all the time. But in the pursuit of accumulating points it's not always incorrect.
Whereas, pari-mutually I can't ever see it being justified.
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