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Old 12-04-2020, 12:46 PM   #16
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Old 12-04-2020, 01:00 PM   #17
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I didn't know they had any accurate timing devices at Gulfstream from which the correct post time could be discerned.
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Old 12-04-2020, 01:19 PM   #18
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If all you play is Gulfstream it probably doesn't matter much. But if you are playing multiple tracks and trying to figure out when Gulfstream is going off it was a pain in the ass. And that is before considering if there is an extra reason to drag (Rainbow 6, Super High 5 carryover, guaranteed pool not reached, etc.) it wasn't consistent.

Also, this gave an even bigger edge to CRW teams in my opinion for a variety of reasons.
There was an article out on this yesterday (apparently it took $800/hour McKinsey consultants to figure this one out) --->>

"The Jockey Club commends Gulfstream Park in Hallandale Beach, Fla. for committing to run races at their scheduled post times during the track's Championship Meet, which began Dec. 2, 2020. Not only does post time drag frustrate bettors, but it also has a negative impact on handle.

At the 2017 Round Table Conference on Matters Pertaining to Racing, Ben Vonwiller of McKinsey & Company spoke on the importance of race scheduling among different racetracks to maximize total handle. According to McKinsey's models, a more synchronized race schedule could lead to an annual handle increase of $400 million across the United States."

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/t...ost-time-drag/
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Old 12-04-2020, 02:05 PM   #19
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There was an article out on this yesterday (apparently it took $800/hour McKinsey consultants to figure this one out) --->>

"The Jockey Club commends Gulfstream Park in Hallandale Beach, Fla. for committing to run races at their scheduled post times during the track's Championship Meet, which began Dec. 2, 2020. Not only does post time drag frustrate bettors, but it also has a negative impact on handle.

At the 2017 Round Table Conference on Matters Pertaining to Racing, Ben Vonwiller of McKinsey & Company spoke on the importance of race scheduling among different racetracks to maximize total handle. According to McKinsey's models, a more synchronized race schedule could lead to an annual handle increase of $400 million across the United States."

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/t...ost-time-drag/
One of the smartest things California does is have the Southern track post times at :00 and :30 and the Northern track at :15 and :45.
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Old 12-04-2020, 03:13 PM   #20
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One of the smartest things California does is have the Southern track post times at :00 and :30 and the Northern track at :15 and :45.
I hope they didn't have to hire Bain or BCG for this.
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I didn't know they had any accurate timing devices at Gulfstream from which the correct post time could be discerned.
I think they made a large investment...

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Old 12-04-2020, 04:48 PM   #22
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I didn't know they had any accurate timing devices at Gulfstream from which the correct post time could be discerned.
The clocks work, just not the teletimers or stop watches. Sundials work between showers.
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Old 12-05-2020, 03:16 PM   #23
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Traffic sucks, Iíve been stuck in it for an hour!

If youíre waiting like everybody else to get a bet in at the last second through an ADW, youíre causing the traffic, or in this case, horses dancing around as more ADW money comes in. Iím sure that all of the guilty tracks in question have done studies and know how long they should stand around the gate before people start canceling bets
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Old 12-05-2020, 04:37 PM   #24
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The first few times I attended the races in New York, back when Marshall Cassidy was still calling the races, it was very common for the tote board to click and for Cassidy to announce, stridently, "it is now POST time!", as the 4th or 5th horse was loading into the gate.

Coming from California, where we routinely started the races 5 minutes late, this astounded me.
Everyone has their favorite announcer. Marshall Cassidy is mine.
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Old 12-05-2020, 08:40 PM   #25
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First race at Delta, originally declared a dead heat by the placing judges, overruled by the stewards (rightly so in my opinion). Dead heat was on the board for at least a few minutes.
Long ago when I worked as a placing judge, the two senior judges sometimes enfuriated me by voting to dead heat races involving an extremely narrow, but discernable, winner. Their mantra: "dead heat is the safe call, " spouted not only from belief that dividing the win would satisfy both camps, and thus prevent the inevitable doubt and challenges resultant from making decisive calls on close finishes, but from the photo guy's willingness to artificially thicken the superimposed "finish line" to make it appear that both horses hit it simultaneously.

My frustration reached a point at which I defiantly refused to dead heat ANY race, instead contending that even a hair's width constituted a win.
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Long ago when I worked as a placing judge, the two senior judges sometimes enfuriated me by voting to dead heat races involving an extremely narrow, but discernable, winner. Their mantra: "dead heat is the safe call, " spouted not only from belief that dividing the win would satisfy both camps, and thus prevent the inevitable doubt and challenges resultant from making decisive calls on close finishes, but from the photo guy's willingness to artificially thicken the superimposed "finish line" to make it appear that both horses hit it simultaneously.

My frustration reached a point at which I defiantly refused to dead heat ANY race, instead contending that even a hair's width constituted a win.
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I guess the drag will be eliminated at Laurel/Pimlico too, although I don't know if that's effective immediately.
Laurel has officially stopped their drag now.
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