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09-12-2012, 06:58 PM
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One of the "sticking" points in the bargaining, is the PERFORMANCE EVALUATION. For those who are uninformed, this is part of Obama's RACE TO THE TOP program. It shouldn't come as a surprise,as Obama and Arne Duncan announced this back in July of 2009. It's funded by the ED Recovery Act(i thought they had a pill for that). 
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09-12-2012, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by NJ Stinks
The San Diego Padres have the lowest payroll in baseball. The Yankees have the highest. When one evaluates the performance of the Yanks and the Padres, do you use the same standards? Bud Black won 90 games in SD in 2010 and was named NL Manager of the Year. Joe Girardi won 89 games for the Yanks in 2008 and everybody talked about what a disappointing season the Yanks had.
In case you haven't guessed, the Chicago teachers are the SD Padres. The schools in the richest suburbs are the Yankees. Why would any sane person expect the Padres/Chicago teachers to match the Yankees/richest suburbs performance standards year after year?
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Public school teachers in Dallas' northern suburbs make nowhere near 75k per year, do not enjoy the benefit pkg the Chicago teachers have. Yet, these underpaid Texas teachers "outperform" their overpaid counteparts. Look at McKinney, and Allen Tx SAT scores and graduation rates vs the shit going on in Chicago.
Back to the drawing board, NJ.
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09-12-2012, 08:50 PM
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Like I said, this should be about our children but it isn't. I'm not blaming the teachers who will be the scapegoats.
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09-12-2012, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ElKabong
Public school teachers in Dallas' northern suburbs make nowhere near 75k per year, do not enjoy the benefit pkg the Chicago teachers have. Yet, these underpaid Texas teachers "outperform" their overpaid counteparts. Look at McKinney, and Allen Tx SAT scores and graduation rates vs the shit going on in Chicago.
Back to the drawing board, NJ.
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I'm sure shit can be found in Texas also, and it probably would be bigger.
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09-12-2012, 08:56 PM
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Really? You sure?
I think I'll wait for Mostie. You're too clouded with emotion over the suffering teachers have to endure.  |
Would you take 16% over four years if you could lose your job because some children won't do their homework? The money is entrapment.
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09-12-2012, 09:09 PM
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I'm sure shit can be found in Texas also, and it probably would be bigger.
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Be specific. Shit as in overpaid teachers? Shit as in higher dropout rate than Chicago's? Be specific
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09-12-2012, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
Would you take 16% over four years if you could lose your job because some children won't do their homework? The money is entrapment.
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get hip on the details. They'll take the dough, much to your chagrin, and keep drilling for benefits.
You somehow think no one understands how some teachers feel it unfair to be judged by the inadequacies of the home environment. No shit, Sherlock.
Tough. Get a measure and evaluate away. They don't like it, they're fired. Go make less in almost any other school district in the country.
See if they would be willing to make less dough so's not to be evaluated. Fat chance.
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09-12-2012, 10:31 PM
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You nuts old man. It is all about the new performance ratings. Get with it.
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The teachers are opposed to actually having to have their work evaluated. Damn the piss poor results they are getting. Al, a bunch of 4th graders could probably do a far better job than the slugs we have teaching right now.
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09-13-2012, 12:44 AM
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The teachers are opposed to actually having to have their work evaluated. Damn the piss poor results they are getting. Al, a bunch of 4th graders could probably do a far better job than the slugs we have teaching right now.
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Are you saying that if the fourth graders taught the third graders and their parents still didn't make them do their homework that we would have better or equal results?
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09-13-2012, 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by bigmack
get hip on the details. They'll take the dough, much to your chagrin, and keep drilling for benefits.
You somehow think no one understands how some teachers feel it unfair to be judged by the inadequacies of the home environment. No shit, Sherlock.
Tough. Get a measure and evaluate away. They don't like it, they're fired. Go make less in almost any other school district in the country.
See if they would be willing to make less dough so's not to be evaluated. Fat chance. |
Teachers are getting it put to them on benefits. The problem is that their benefits are good because teaching was traditionally a female second income back in the day. Teachers gave up cash to get the better benefits. Are there poor performing teachers? Sure. Is this unique to the teaching profession? No. Giving up benefits is a pay cut. I know we are competing with the Chinese and Indians now. It's a race to the bottom. We wouldn't want to stress the upper 2% whose incomes have gone up while most American incomes have gone down.
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09-13-2012, 01:03 AM
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We wouldn't want to stress the upper 2% whose incomes have gone up while most American incomes have gone down.
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Buzz-off with that crap.
Rather than coming to defense of any teacher related caper from Snap Crackle Popville, are you completely out to lunch with the fact that their salaries & benefits are ALREADY some of the highest in the country? Every teach I've had a discussion with about this says they should be quite happy. Including those who have to ' endure ' evaluations. Can ya believe it?
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09-13-2012, 07:52 AM
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Teacher's union officials salaries.
Could it be the union bosses want more money?
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09-13-2012, 08:04 AM
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Are you saying that if the fourth graders taught the third graders and their parents still didn't make them do their homework that we would have better or equal results?
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I'm saying that if what you say is true, it would at least make no difference and cost a lot less. Chicago is 50% under the national average of graduation rates - they do NOT deserve a raise and the NEED an evaluation system.
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09-13-2012, 08:12 AM
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Teachers are getting it put to them on benefits. The problem is that their benefits are good because teaching was traditionally a female second income back in the day. Teachers gave up cash to get the better benefits. Are there poor performing teachers? Sure. Is this unique to the teaching profession? No. Giving up benefits is a pay cut. I know we are competing with the Chinese and Indians now. It's a race to the bottom. We wouldn't want to stress the upper 2% whose incomes have gone up while most American incomes have gone down.
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It's actually a race to the middle. The standard of living in China and India is rising. This rise has benefited Americans greatly viz. inexpensive goods which raise real incomes.
With regard to evaluations, all of the teachers are affected by bad parenting. So, the good ones are still gonna outperform the bad ones. What's the problem?
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09-13-2012, 09:35 AM
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Teachers gave up cash to get the better benefits
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How can you make that claim when Chicago teachers are the highest paid in the nation?
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