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10-19-2013, 08:45 AM
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Racing Form Detective
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Lincoln, Ne but my heart is at Santa Anita
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Greed breeds more greed or so it seems in racing. They already have high take outs and slot fueled purses and they still want more. There is no end in sight. I have given upon the idea that the game will ever get any better than it is today. They will just keep coming up with new ways to screw over the bettors until we are all gone. We are no more than marks ripe to be taken for our last dime in their eyes.
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
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10-20-2013, 09:51 PM
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#32
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 3,550
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Originally Posted by Jeff P
It's not your ADW, Ray. (They aren't the ones behind this.)
It's the Pennsylvania Tracks and Horsemen. THEY are the ones who lobbied the legislature for the 10% source market fee.
They did it fully knowing that it would cause many ADWs to stop doing business with Pennsylvania residents.
Looking at it - and given that Pennsylvania horsemen have been getting millions of dollars in slots subsidies over the years- and given the insane trifecta takeout at PEN and PARX (it's 30%.)...
I'm wondering if the right thing to do is ask all players everywhere to consider a national players boycott of Pennsylvania tracks. (Texas too.)
Jeff Platt
Pres. HANA
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I just started boycotting PA tracks then.
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10-21-2013, 01:11 AM
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Grinding at a Poker Table
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Originally Posted by wiffleball whizz
Wonder how the track collector is dealing with this.....if they give u the rebates if your have a md adress feel free to use mine.....
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Currently I'm not impacted. No guarantees for the future though.
The article linked by DeanT had an interesting reader comment, which is copied below:
"I'd like to see HANA send a letter to the Governor of Pennsylvania asking him to take away slot payments to the Penn Horsemen."
Should we really be supporting the interests of the PA tracks and Horsemen if they have so little regard for the folks who drive the handle in this state? This is of course a rhetorical question. 
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10-21-2013, 05:35 PM
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#34
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: pen
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Currently I'm not impacted. No guarantees for the future though.
the day your're impacted,...... an abyss the game will never climb from.
The article linked by DeanT had an interesting reader comment, which is copied below:
"I'd like to see HANA send a letter to the Governor of Pennsylvania asking him to take away slot payments to the Penn Horsemen."
they say two wrongs don't make a right, but it's almost come to this. it was my instinctual reaction, but i'm not sure this is the time.
Should we really be supporting the interests of the PA tracks and Horsemen if they have so little regard for the folks who drive the handle in this state? This is of course a rhetorical question.
a pen player "the lion" told me this friday and was so mad he wouldn't even come out to pen to see racing friends visiting from out of state.
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10-22-2013, 11:46 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 15
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Originally Posted by camourous
PAbets is TVG for Pennsylvania residents, if you lived in PA and had a TVG account you are now with PAbets. been receiving checks daily from ADW's as pretty much all of the smaller ones are closing accounts from PA residents.
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My IdaBet account was just closed.... 
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10-22-2013, 08:18 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,413
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Originally Posted by owlshead
My IdaBet account was just closed.... |
yea mine too
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10-24-2013, 02:45 AM
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broken-down horseplayer
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Portland, OR area
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Being the suspicious guy that I am, I'm inclined to believe that the blame for this latest ADW fiasco in PA also lies with the bigger ADWs and not just the horsemen's groups or the politicians. It appears they want to drive the smaller ADWs out, to make it like Illinois where only the "big 3" and "little 1" do business. I'm assuming that Twinspires, Xpressbet and TVG (via PAbets) will continue doing business in PA.
The list of states that have ADW issues keeps growing - Problems with PA, MA, NY, IL, TX, etc.
Seems like a boycott of the whole sport is the only thing left to do....
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Defying the "laws" of statistics with every wager.
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10-24-2013, 06:36 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Lehigh Valley, PA.
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And the big 3 you mention don't give rebates.
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10-26-2013, 02:14 AM
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broken-down horseplayer
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Portland, OR area
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Originally Posted by pandy
And the big 3 you mention don't give rebates.
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Very small rebates, but yes some of the money not paid back to the bettors is probably finding its way into the pockets of the local politicians that help pass the "regulations" that drive out the little guys.
I just moved out of the hellhole of racing known as Illinois, and was hoping to be able to use one of the smaller ADWs to get a decent rebate, but Washington State has the same BS - and I believe only the Big 3 operate out here.
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Playing SRU Downs - home of the "no sweat" inquiries...
Defying the "laws" of statistics with every wager.
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10-26-2013, 08:59 PM
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easygoer
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 976
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Originally Posted by Hoofless_Wonder
Being the suspicious guy that I am, I'm inclined to believe that the blame for this latest ADW fiasco in PA also lies with the bigger ADWs and not just the horsemen's groups or the politicians. It appears they want to drive the smaller ADWs out, to make it like Illinois where only the "big 3" and "little 1" do business. I'm assuming that Twinspires, Xpressbet and TVG (via PAbets) will continue doing business in PA.
The list of states that have ADW issues keeps growing - Problems with PA, MA, NY, IL, TX, etc.
Seems like a boycott of the whole sport is the only thing left to do....
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I think that you could be right
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10-28-2013, 11:28 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Toronto
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10-28-2013, 08:50 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: pen
Posts: 4,584
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Originally Posted by Hoofless_Wonder
Seems like a boycott of the whole sport is the only thing left to do....
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for pennsylvania residents this is the ONLY thing to do.... boycotting ALL the tracks, because if you're a p.a. resident the lion's share of ALL of our bets (non p.a. tracks included) will go to support this evil p.a. racing.
can't do it.
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10-28-2013, 09:53 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Lehigh Valley, PA.
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Originally Posted by proximity
for pennsylvania residents this is the ONLY thing to do.... boycotting ALL the tracks, because if you're a p.a. resident the lion's share of ALL of our bets (non p.a. tracks included) will go to support this evil p.a. racing.
can't do it.
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It's a good idea if we could get enough people.
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10-29-2013, 07:49 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,413
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Originally Posted by proximity
for pennsylvania residents this is the ONLY thing to do.... boycotting ALL the tracks, because if you're a p.a. resident the lion's share of ALL of our bets (non p.a. tracks included) will go to support this evil p.a. racing.
can't do it.
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i boycotted Parx after the off the turf fiasco, won't bet on their product, bet at their track or do anything that gives money to the horsemen, gonna have to extend that to all PA tracks now.
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10-29-2013, 04:56 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 161
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adw in n.y.
i don't know what if anything this move by capital otb in upstate n.y. but it has hired twinspires as it new online website? churchill/twinspires must see money in n.y. racing maybe something to do with twinspires and license fee's in n.y.? the site looks to be just like twinspires only with capital otb's name on it and all around it.
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