The Wall With Mexico: Concerns

[davew]

Originally Posted by LottaKash

Consequences, what consequences ?...

It might interfere with the natural migration pattern of the Sonoran pronghorn, which many people realize is an endangered species. We will probably need an environmental impact plan and an acceptable compensatory mitigation program outlined before construction could possibly start.

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by EasyGoer89

Your last sentence is only true if you believe the msm narrative that he's 'dangerous'

Trump is a big softie, anyone who cares to look can see this.

Maybe I needed a better line than "Monkey with AK-47." I meant he came in with guns a blazing. I thought since he wasn't a politician he would go at things slowly, instead he seems to be dropping bombs left and right. So far I don't have problems with anything, just thought he would proceed with more caution.

[forced89]

Originally Posted by chadk66

he's already said he wants a 20% tax on imports from mexico to pay for it.

My point is that it will be part of comprehensive tax reform applicable to all imports, not just from Mexico.

[chadk66]

Originally Posted by forced89

My point is that it will be part of comprehensive tax reform applicable to all imports, not just from Mexico.

I have no problem with that

[Tom]

Originally Posted by davew

It might interfere with the natural migration pattern of the Sonoran pronghorn, which many people realize is an endangered species. We will probably need an environmental impact plan and an acceptable compensatory mitigation program outlined before construction could possibly start.

Funny you should mention this.
Last night, I had roasted pronghorn. It was perfectly prepared.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

So the Mexicans are trying to think of ways to get back at Trump for The Wall. They are considering various options including

- throwing all U.S. law enforcement agencies out of the country

- discontinuing inspections of trucks going north

- no longer trying to stop drugs going north. The quote was, "Let the wall stop them."

- not stopping central american refugees looking to go north

Like most of the pitchfork and axe handle crowd, it's react first, then once you've found yourself in the soup figure out if the consequences are acceptable. If you were trying to come up with a list of the stupidest things to have a cultural/economic war, it is to have a sovereign country pay for your wall.

“For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.”
Hosea, 8:7

[Teach]

But Boeing and Wackenhut stock. Mucho Dinero!.

[zico20]

Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing

So the Mexicans are trying to think of ways to get back at Trump for The Wall. They are considering various options including

- throwing all U.S. law enforcement agencies out of the country

- discontinuing inspections of trucks going north

- no longer trying to stop drugs going north. The quote was, "Let the wall stop them."

- not stopping central american refugees looking to go north

Like most of the pitchfork and axe handle crowd, it's react first, then once you've found yourself in the soup figure out if the consequences are acceptable. If you were trying to come up with a list of the stupidest things to have a cultural/economic war, it is to have a sovereign country pay for your wall.

“For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.”
Hosea, 8:7

Mexico is already a shit hole, throwing out US law enforcement agencies won't change anything.

2-4 Mexico does a real fine job now. All four of them mean squat in comparison to building the wall.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Originally Posted by zico20

Mexico is already a shit hole, throwing out US law enforcement agencies won't change anything.

2-4 Mexico does a real fine job now. All four of them mean squat in comparison to building the wall.

You do know why U.S. law enforcement is there, right?

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing

So the Mexicans are trying to think of ways to get back at Trump for The Wall. They are considering various options including

- throwing all U.S. law enforcement agencies out of the country

- discontinuing inspections of trucks going north

- no longer trying to stop drugs going north. The quote was, "Let the wall stop them."

- not stopping central american refugees looking to go north

Like most of the pitchfork and axe handle crowd, it's react first, then once you've found yourself in the soup figure out if the consequences are acceptable. If you were trying to come up with a list of the stupidest things to have a cultural/economic war, it is to have a sovereign country pay for your wall.

“For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.”
Hosea, 8:7

Trucks are inspected by the US before entry.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Originally Posted by AndyC

Trucks are inspected by the US before entry.

Well, you wouldn't know this, but I spent a year at the border looking at ways to increase efficiency without compromising security, and I spent many hours at the inspection facilities as well as the crossing stations. I'm highly familiar with what goes on at the border. Mexico inspects trucks going North for various reasons, and in particular the drayage vehicles that move goods from Mexican warehouses to American warehouses. Many of the trucks (and rail cars) that are inspected in Mexico are sealed by the Mexicans, and once on the American side ICE agents can see if the seals have been tampered with, giving them cause to do more intense inspection. In the same regard the U.S. does inspections of some vehicles moving south, primarily looking for guns and money. Vehicles that are turned back by Mexico (or the U.S.) are vehicles that won't slip though the inspection process. It's a protocol that has long been in place at the border and it part of the cooperative border management process.

[zico20]

Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing

You do know why U.S. law enforcement is there, right?

Two reasons are to fight drug trafficking and organized crime. If there are other reasons, please let me know.

[chadk66]

Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing

Well, you wouldn't know this, but I spent a year at the border looking at ways to increase efficiency without compromising security, and I spent many hours at the inspection facilities as well as the crossing stations. I'm highly familiar with what goes on at the border. Mexico inspects trucks going North for various reasons, and in particular the drayage vehicles that move goods from Mexican warehouses to American warehouses. Many of the trucks (and rail cars) that are inspected in Mexico are sealed by the Mexicans, and once on the American side ICE agents can see if the seals have been tampered with, giving them cause to do more intense inspection. In the same regard the U.S. does inspections of some vehicles moving south, primarily looking for guns and money. Vehicles that are turned back by Mexico (or the U.S.) are vehicles that won't slip though the inspection process. It's a protocol that has long been in place at the border and it part of the cooperative border management process.

when did you spend this year at the border?

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing

Well, you wouldn't know this, but I spent a year at the border looking at ways to increase efficiency without compromising security, and I spent many hours at the inspection facilities as well as the crossing stations. I'm highly familiar with what goes on at the border. Mexico inspects trucks going North for various reasons, and in particular the drayage vehicles that move goods from Mexican warehouses to American warehouses. Many of the trucks (and rail cars) that are inspected in Mexico are sealed by the Mexicans, and once on the American side ICE agents can see if the seals have been tampered with, giving them cause to do more intense inspection. In the same regard the U.S. does inspections of some vehicles moving south, primarily looking for guns and money. Vehicles that are turned back by Mexico (or the U.S.) are vehicles that won't slip though the inspection process. It's a protocol that has long been in place at the border and it part of the cooperative border management process.

Let me see if I understand your point. Mexico will stop inspections of trucks resulting in what? Greatly slowing down the border crossing so that Mexican businesses will ship less goods to the US. How is this leverage for Mexico? Mexico has zero leverage vs the US. Any of the tactics you listed would hurt Mexico more than the US. Not exactly a winning hand.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Originally Posted by chadk66

when did you spend this year at the border?

In the early 2000's. I was doing a lot of work with the Mexican government up until about 2010, mostly on energy and air quality issues. Most of the recommendations got thrown out the window after 9/11 though, although eventually one of the main recommendations for the two agencies at the border (at that time Immigration and Naturalization and Customs) to merge was done.