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09-06-2022, 10:09 AM
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Anyone actually read the article? The first handful of paragraphs talk about the weather's effects.
That said, the success this summer was based on much more than that.
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09-06-2022, 10:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
I'm not fighting.
I'm bathing in facts. It feels wonderful.
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Amazingly, gas prices had no effect on handle
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09-06-2022, 10:35 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2017
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Originally Posted by BarchCapper
I'm taking this to mean that out-of-state visitors using NYRA Bets while physically at Saratoga/Belmont/Aqueduct do NOT count as on-track handle?
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No idea. My guess is that they use geolocation but who knows.
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09-06-2022, 10:58 AM
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Of course weather is a huge factor. We lost 16 turf races this year as compared to 31 last year. Not exactly a dramatic swing, just as the record low of 8 we lost in 2015 isn't statistically relevant. We also had two weeks early in the meet of hot and humid weather. Weather will always matter. If you have prolonged rain, as we have had in a few years past ( this possibility is often overblown, but opinions about popular places like Saratoga frequently are ), this could have a significant negative affect. Fortunately, that has not been the case recently.
One thing is for sure, the product was well received...and gas prices and the economy don't appear to have hurt. Then again, that's hardly surprising.
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09-06-2022, 11:51 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2018
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A good solid meet in all aspects. As one would expect from the premier track in the USA. Delighted they did so well. I would say it has much to do with high quality racing, with top horses and riders competing daily, and to a much lesser degree on the quality of the television coverage. Congratulations to NYRA.
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09-06-2022, 12:18 PM
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Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 324
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it wasnt without some BS
1.Stewards were awful
2.Chad Brown arrested
3.Races taken off the grass in horizontals wagers screwing fans
4.LINK? PROOF? <-- asking for a friend of PA's
5.Stabile's cheap shots at Flavien the entire meet was classless
Last edited by PaceAdvantage; 09-06-2022 at 01:46 PM.
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09-06-2022, 12:34 PM
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#22
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Join Date: Aug 2012
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NYRA has done a heck of a job turning Saratoga, which was a boutique meet when I was young, into the most important and one of the most profitable meets in the country. They deserve enormous credit for that.
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09-06-2022, 12:43 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2020
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Originally Posted by the little guy
Of course weather is a huge factor. We lost 16 turf races this year as compared to 31 last year. Not exactly a dramatic swing, just as the record low of 8 we lost in 2015 isn't statistically relevant. We also had two weeks early in the meet of hot and humid weather. Weather will always matter. If you have prolonged rain, as we have had in a few years past ( this possibility is often overblown, but opinions about popular places like Saratoga frequently are ), this could have a significant negative affect. Fortunately, that has not been the case recently.
One thing is for sure, the product was well received...and gas prices and the economy don't appear to have hurt. Then again, that's hardly surprising.
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Thanks for at least acknowledging the weather factor. I do believe that if gas wasn’t so high and the economy wasn’t in such a turmoil Saratoga could have done even better. Recently I talked to an older gentlemen at a local OTB. Asked if he made it to Saratoga this year and his response was no and that cost kept him away. Nobody knows for sure …what we do know is that Toga is a special place and this year was super successful. BTW nice pick with Forte yesterday.
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09-06-2022, 12:54 PM
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Just Deplorable
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lebanon, Ohio
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What are you going to do for the next 10 months, Bob?
Asking for a friend, I don't really care, myself.
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09-06-2022, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rastajenk
What are you going to do for the next 10 months, Bob?
Asking for a friend, I don't really care, myself.
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Pondering how much Kentucky is going to take over the top spot in horse racing in the coming years. Unless tracks match those huge purses you will see a major exodus from NY ….horses, trainers and of course jockeys .
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09-06-2022, 01:16 PM
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Location: NJ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by westernmassbob
Pondering how much Kentucky is going to take over the top spot in horse racing in the coming years. Unless tracks match those huge purses you will see a major exodus from NY ….horses, trainers and of course jockeys .
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Maybe it will start raining more in Kentucky and the handle will plummet, since that's the only determining factor in how much people wager.
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09-06-2022, 01:37 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Queens, NY
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Originally Posted by westernmassbob
Pondering how much Kentucky is going to take over the top spot in horse racing in the coming years. Unless tracks match those huge purses you will see a major exodus from NY ….horses, trainers and of course jockeys .
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I don't know what's going to happen to racing in NY long term, but I wouldn't count Oaklawn out as a contender for premier dirt racing. Hot Springs is a nice vacation spot, the track is very nice, the purses are huge, the hotel/casino are nice, the quality of the racing is high and getting better, and they seem dedicated to racing and making the on track experience pleasant and affordable. It's in my top few. I haven't been to Fair Grounds yet (bucket list), but I like the racing and potential there too.
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Last edited by classhandicapper; 09-06-2022 at 01:39 PM.
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09-06-2022, 01:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by westernmassbob
Pondering how much Kentucky is going to take over the top spot in horse racing in the coming years. Unless tracks match those huge purses you will see a major exodus from NY ….horses, trainers and of course jockeys .
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Kentucky won't be taking over anything in July and August. Saratoga and Del Mar are destinations for reasons Kentucky will never be during the summer. Great racing at both places this year, and Saratoga was utterly unmatched in terms of race quality.
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09-06-2022, 01:46 PM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brisk Urging
it wasnt without some BS
1.Stewards were awful
2.Chad Brown arrested
3.Races taken off the grass in horizontals wagers screwing fans
4.LINK? PROOF? <-- asking for a friend of PA's
5.Stabile's cheap shots at Flavien the entire meet was classless
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Fixed that for you.
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