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[Poindexter]

Originally Posted by mhaney0423

Haha, I like your sentiment. I do not hate Ttump supporters though, but I absolutely despise Donald Trump, despised him in the 80s, the 90s, the 00s, and the10s. The man is a bully, a liar, a cheat, and a megalomaniac. And just to top it all off, he is as dumb as a box of rocks!

I don't disagree with much of what you say(he not dumb, he just says dumb things that falsely give some the impression that he is dumb). But you need to focus on what he has done or not done as President, for the country. Many of us feel that a far left government (honestly I don't know how anyone can think otherwise, but too many do) would have devastating effects on this country. Just open your eyes to all the crap that has gone on this year, overreaction to Covid (that seems to be never ending), to burning, rioting and looting, to defunding the police, to letting violent criminals out of prison, then of course you have their economic policies.

If that is the America you want to live in, enjoy (sadly you may get a chance to and the rest of us may be stuck in it). Personally I prefer the bully, liar, cheat and megalomaniac. Honestly I wish we had better options, but we don't, so pick your poison.

[mhaney0423]

Originally Posted by Poindexter

I don't disagree with much of what you say(he not dumb, he just says dumb things that falsely give some the impression that he is dumb). But you need to focus on what he has done or not done as President, for the country. Many of us feel that a far left government (honestly I don't know how anyone can think otherwise, but too many do) would have devastating effects on this country. Just open your eyes to all the crap that has gone on this year, overreaction to Covid (that seems to be never ending), to burning, rioting and looting, to defunding the police, to letting violent criminals out of prison, then of course you have their economic policies.

If that is the America you want to live in, enjoy (sadly you may get a chance to and the rest of us may be stuck in it). Personally I prefer the bully, liar, cheat and megalomaniac. Honestly I wish we had better options, but we don't, so pick your poison.

Now you I could talk to, no insults just straight opinion and facts, I like this. I honestly do not believe there was an overreaction to Covid, since I work in the school of Pharmacy at a major university, I think I have a fairly solid opinion on this. The problem was that when we did shut down we did not shut down tight enough nor for long enough. Trump helped nothing by refusing to wear a mask and giving no solid opinion on whether a mask should be worn. Had we locked it down tight, for about twice as long, we would be in much better shape now.

Burning, rioting and looting are wrong no matter what the circumstances, I do not support this, Joe Biden does not support this and I would suspect there are very very few Democratic leaders that do, and if they do they are idiots.

Defunding the police is also something I am strongly opposed to, as a matter of fact, I would put more money into our police departments for more/and or better training and possibly some type of community oversight. I think Joe Biden has said that he would put more money into the police as well, although I am not positive of this, but one thing I am positive of is, Joe Biden does NOT want to defund the police.

Donald Trump has had four years and in my opinion has done little to nothing. Mexico DID NOT pay for the wall, the wall is not finished, immigration numbers look very similar to Obama years. He has accomplished nothing with China whatsoever, the tariffs put on them are paid by AMerican consumers. The economy, his "biggest achievement" has just kept improving at the same rate it was during the Obama years, I will give him credit for continuing the growth and not screwing that up, but I would ask you to look at the difference in the deficit between the Obama years and now. Trump has ballooned the federal deficit as a result of his tax cuts for the extremely wealthy. What Trump has successfully done is divided this country to a point from which it will be tough to return.

[Poindexter]

Originally Posted by mhaney0423

Now you I could talk to, no insults just straight opinion and facts, I like this. I honestly do not believe there was an overreaction to Covid, since I work in the school of Pharmacy at a major university, I think I have a fairly solid opinion on this. The problem was that when we did shut down we did not shut down tight enough nor for long enough.


Trump helped nothing by refusing to wear a mask and giving no solid opinion on whether a mask should be worn. Had we locked it down tight, for about twice as long, we would be in much better shape now.

Burning, rioting and looting are wrong no matter what the circumstances, I do not support this, Joe Biden does not support this and I would suspect there are very very few Democratic leaders that do, and if they do they are idiots.

Defunding the police is also something I am strongly opposed to, as a matter of fact, I would put more money into our police departments for more/and or better training and possibly some type of community oversight. I think Joe Biden has said that he would put more money into the police as well, although I am not positive of this, but one thing I am positive of is, Joe Biden does NOT want to defund the police.

Donald Trump has had four years and in my opinion has done little to nothing. Mexico DID NOT pay for the wall, the wall is not finished, immigration numbers look very similar to Obama years. He has accomplished nothing with China whatsoever, the tariffs put on them are paid by AMerican consumers. The economy, his "biggest achievement" has just kept improving at the same rate it was during the Obama years, I will give him credit for continuing the growth and not screwing that up, but I would ask you to look at the difference in the deficit between the Obama years and now. Trump has ballooned the federal deficit as a result of his tax cuts for the extremely wealthy. What Trump has successfully done is divided this country to a point from which it will be tough to return.

I think/hope you are in the majority of Democrats with this viewpoint, but I also think we all may be in for a rude awakening if he becomes president(I would very much like to be wrong about this). I, like many, question how much he will be in charge if he becomes president. For one he may not even make it his first term. Two, the far left has been pushing the envelope for 6 months and they seem to have full backing of most of the media. The more they push the more they seem to want to push. I am not sure what their ultimate agenda is, but it is not for the betterment of this country. If you look at some of the stuff that has gone on in the last 6 months, it was unfathomable 7 months ago in this country. jmo. This is how quickly things have changed. When things deteriorate that quickly, it is very dangerous. At first my reaction is "this shit is getting crazy", now it has simply become "another day in America". This is a very slippery slope we are on right now and my opinion right or wrong is that a Biden presidency will lead us right down that slippery slope. Where that leads is anybody's guess, but should he win, I highly doubt that in 3 years we will be posting about how much better America has become since Biden became President.

One last point, in a country of 330 million people, why couldn't the democratic party come up with better candidates than Hilary Clinton and Joe Biden in the last 2 elections.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by mhaney0423

Typical of a trump supporter, you will believe everything that is written somewhere without having a clue of the context. See my post above.

This coming from the person who just wrote "most of Trump's businesses have gone bankrupt."

OK then.

[mhaney0423]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

This coming from the person who just wrote "most of Trump's businesses have gone bankrupt."

OK then.

Show me Im wrong

OK then

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by mhaney0423

Show me Im wrong

OK then

All but one of the six bankruptcies were hotels/resorts in Atlantic City. The other was the Plaza Hotel in NYC.

Depending on what you want to believe, he could have up to 500+ companies (every good conman does).

So, unless you believe those six filings represent MOST of his businesses (some of the filings were actually the same property MORE THAN ONCE but under another name - see Taj Mahal + Trump Castle + Trump Plaza which were all consolidated under Trump Hotels & Casinos Resorts, a publicly traded company that itself filed for bankruptcy), you're wrong.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/08/...-bankruptcies/

[mhaney0423]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

This coming from the person who just wrote "most of Trump's businesses have gone bankrupt."

OK then.

Originally Posted by Poindexter

I think/hope you are in the majority of Democrats with this viewpoint, but I also think we all may be in for a rude awakening if he becomes president(I would very much like to be wrong about this). I, like many, question how much he will be in charge if he becomes president. For one he may not even make it his first term. Two, the far left has been pushing the envelope for 6 months and they seem to have full backing of most of the media. The more they push the more they seem to want to push. I am not sure what their ultimate agenda is, but it is not for the betterment of this country. If you look at some of the stuff that has gone on in the last 6 months, it was unfathomable 7 months ago in this country. jmo. This is how quickly things have changed. When things deteriorate that quickly, it is very dangerous. At first my reaction is "this shit is getting crazy", now it has simply become "another day in America". This is a very slippery slope we are on right now and my opinion right or wrong is that a Biden presidency will lead us right down that slippery slope. Where that leads is anybody's guess, but should he win, I highly doubt that in 3 years we will be posting about how much better America has become since Biden became President.

One last point, in a country of 330 million people, why couldn't the democratic party come up with better candidates than Hilary Clinton and Joe Biden in the last 2 elections.

You are correct about Hillary and Biden, it is kind of sad. I did not vote for Hillary in 2016 because I dislike her as much or more than Trump, but I could not vote for Trump with what he had to say about women, immigrants, John McCain, handicapped folks, etc, etc,etc.

I would also ask the same question of you, couldn't the republican party come up with a better candidate than Trump? I actually was hoping John Kasich would win the GOP nomination in 2016, I would have voted for him.

In what ways has America become better since Trump took over. I know to his credit the military is stronger, I know he did not screw up the economy, but what has he really done other than those two things?

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by ElKabong

Apparently I did win. Your link took me to his website to donate. I knew you had nothing in your bag. Run along and vote like a good little lemming. Toodles.

Seriously, how difficult would it have been to click on that button that said continue to Joe Biden.com? On the other hand, had you done that, you might have learned something. And Tom thinks Democrats are dumb.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by ElKabong

What has it gotten me?

I could retire given gains in the stock market. Free as a bird

I spend my spare time teaching chess to kids/ beginners. Could I have retired w/ my portfolio during the Obama biden years? LMAO, no way. That regime saw a very slow recovery, many professionals/ fmr co workers I knew lost their careers during the previous admin. Their chances to accumulate any kind of wealth...Gone. Many recovered under the trump era but the lost years of earnings from a decent salary were very harmful I'm sure

If you used the stock market as a vehicle for your retirement...you should have done just fine with Obama. During Obama's presidency, the Dow Jones index increased from 7,949 to 19,732...a gain of 11,783 points. During Trump's presidency, the same index has gone from 19,732 to 27,902...a gain of 8,170 points. The stock market investor almost tripled his money during the Obama years.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

The stock market investor almost tripled his money during the Obama years.

Which stock market investor? The rare bird who had already made a fortune in the markets for decades?

Because the average man merely made back what he lost in the 2008 financial crisis.

However, he extended those gains under Trump. So really...the money was MADE under Trump...it was only regained under Obama.

That is, assuming of course, the average man just didn't bail on the markets altogether during 2008-2009. And that's a big assumption...because a lot of people bailed.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Which stock market investor? The rare bird who had already made a fortune in the markets for decades?

Because the average man merely made back what he lost in the 2008 financial crisis.

However, he extended those gains under Trump. So really...the money was MADE under Trump...it was only regained under Obama.

That is, assuming of course, the average man just didn't bail on the markets altogether during 2008-2009. And that's a big assumption...because a lot of people bailed.

Read Elkabong's post again...where he laughs at the stock gains made during Obama. Why would a stock portfolio fare better during Trump than during Obama? Yes...yes. I've seen you repeatedly claim that Obama's task was an easy one...because he inherited an economic meltdown. But if "regaining" the lost stock market money was such an easy matter...why couldn't that "good ole boy" G.W. Bush figure it out?

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Read Elkabong's post again...where he laughs at the stock gains made during Obama. Why would a stock portfolio fare better during Trump than during Obama? Yes...yes. I've seen you repeatedly claim that Obama's task was an easy one...because he inherited an economic meltdown. But if "regaining" the lost stock market money was such an easy matter...why couldn't that "good ole boy" G.W. Bush figure it out?

Because it happened only months before he left office?

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Because it happened only months before he left office?

Yes, I agree...if only we could have given G.W. Bush a little more time. He had all the answers...he just happened to run out of time.

Poor Obama. He got no credit at all here for the sustained stock market rally during his presidency...while Trump has been patting himself on the back endlessly for the market rally during his presidential tenure. And, while Obama was president...the federal deficit, and its "effect on our children", had been a continual grave concern here. But now...not a word is mentioned about this once-considered major calamity. It is now regarded as just a "minor inconvenience".

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Yes, I agree...if only we could have given G.W. Bush a little more time. He had all the answers...he just happened to run out of time.

Poor Obama. He got no credit at all here for the sustained stock market rally during his presidency...while Trump has been patting himself on the back endlessly for the market rally during his presidential tenure. And, while Obama was president...the federal deficit, and its "effect on our children", had been a continual grave concern here. But now...not a word is mentioned about this once-considered major calamity. It is now regarded as just a "minor inconvenience".

What can I tell you. We suck.

You win.

Now you can go on with your life.

Thank me very much.

[ElKabong]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Seriously, how difficult would it have been to click on that button that said continue to Joe Biden.com? On the other hand, had you done that, you might have learned something. And Tom thinks Democrats are dumb.

Seriously, in all the months Hiden has been the nominee none of you guys have come out and pumped up Joey's accomplishments. Why is that?

Unless it's propping up his coke head son with business deals that depended on political ties, I haven't read anything here on the forum that Joe himself did