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Old 02-02-2015, 11:24 AM   #16
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After living with the Kardashians, is it any wonder that Jenner would be confused about a lot of things, including his sexual identity. Somehow I get the feeling that this something he got talked into with promise of lots of notoriety and money. Hopefully he will come to his senses before it is too late.
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Old 02-02-2015, 12:02 PM   #17
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I used to think it was really messed up and weird until I worked with some trans people at grad school and realized that they felt like the opposite sex to their inner core and lived every part of their life as the opposite sex, just didn't have the parts. That's all it is really is parts.
You're right in what you are saying to a point.
Men of this nature believe that there's an inner woman within them that is trying to get out.
Nevertheless, any way you carve it, most of these people are "messed up" and there is a huge weird element to their quest.
For Grandpa to want to become Grandma is just plain nutty, strange, and weird.
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Old 02-02-2015, 12:25 PM   #18
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You're right in what you are saying to a point.
Men of this nature believe that there's an inner woman within them that is trying to get out.
Nevertheless, any way you carve it, most of these people are "messed up" and there is a huge weird element to their quest.
For Grandpa to want to become Grandma is just plain nutty, strange, and weird.
Are they messed up and weird or just not having the experience internally and externally that the majority is having?

I guess I just try to always remember that my experience is not someone else's experience so who am I to say they're wrong.

Trans folks are the next civil rights fight we'll see IMO.
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Old 02-02-2015, 12:28 PM   #19
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I've not ever known anyone that crossed over. There. That's a nice way of putting it, gentlemen. However, I feel for anyone that goes through all this. A couple of things I've known for years. He's gotta take a lot of female hormone therapy and he will have to live as a female for a year, maybe two, in order to transition. Putting the two words, "do transgender" into the Google search box, instantly, I got these four phrase responses.

--do transgender males have balls
--do transgenders have surgery
--do transgenders go to hell
--do transgender athletes have an advantage

To these I'd say the following:

--you're kidding, right? To do all this? Hell, yes. Cut or not.
--not all of them.
--not at any greater rate than the rest of us.
--not sure. Contact Renee Richards.

Here ended my transgender search. (I decided not to do the photos.)

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Old 02-02-2015, 12:31 PM   #20
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He looks good for a 65-year old lady.
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Old 02-02-2015, 12:32 PM   #21
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Jenner wants to win the Women's Decathlon gold medal at the Olympics in Brazil in 2016.
It would nicely compliment the men's decathlon gold he already has
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Old 02-02-2015, 12:36 PM   #22
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Are they messed up and weird or just not having the experience internally and externally that the majority is having?

I guess I just try to always remember that my experience is not someone else's experience so who am I to say they're wrong.

Trans folks are the next civil rights fight we'll see IMO.
I never said that they were wrong.
But just because we have the technology and hormones to transform them somewhat, doesn't make them right either.
I said that there is a huge element of weirdness to their quest.
Many have issues that will exist after the sex change that will not be resolved. In fact those issues may become magnified.
While some may feel better about themselves after the operation, a large segment won't. Some will wish they never had the operation.
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Jenner wants to win the Women's Decathlon gold medal at the Olympics in Brazil in 2016.
It would nicely compliment the men's decathlon gold he already has
No Phantom, won't work. She'll never pass the drug test. No way.

Jason, please, understand, I can find humor everywhere. It keeps me moving. But on the serious side, this group has made inroads, already. Insurance, private; medicare, medicaid. No longer the automatic turn down of the past.
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He looks good for a 65-year old lady.
I understand you're single.
Are you saying that you'd date her (him)?
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Old 02-02-2015, 01:11 PM   #26
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Never mind transitioning to a woman late in life after multiple marriages and having children, Jenner failed the "weird" test when he started hanging out with the Kardashians. He/she is an obvious whack job no matter which sex he/she chooses.
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I could understand this more from a young person in their late teens to early 20s doing this, but come on, a 65 year old. Seems to be there are other reasons behind this. He really is messed up.
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I understand you're single.
Are you saying that you'd date her (him)?
Well...it was a dream of mine to date an Olympic champion...but this wasn't quite the scenario that I had in mind.
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Only if thier balls are deflated.
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