Texas horsemen and Lone Star/Tracknet

[trying2win]

Lurking Bettor:

I admire you for taking action and sending that email to the Texas horsemen group. Too many PA members just complain here about this and that on horse racing issues, and are great at the 'TALKING THE TALK', but are unwillng on the part of 'WALKING THE TALK'. There are still too many milquetoasts here at the PACE ADVANTAGE site. (If anyone doesn't know what a milquetoast is, look up the meaning at www.dictionary.com and add to your vocabulary) then stop being one and send off that email or make that phone call to race track exectutives, horsemen group executives, etc. and state your complaint or give them a compliment if they're doing something right.

You won't always get an answer, or an answer you were hoping to get, but at least you've let your feelings be known about certain aspects of the horse racing scene. I've sent out lots of emails to these groups over time and got a lot of lame excuses, but sometimes I've gotten some positive replies and action was taken on some of my complaints. So that old excuse of 'I'm just one bettor, my complaint won't make a difference".....NONSENSE!...Especially if enough bettors complain that they are going to vote with their wallets in one form or another. I think some of the these groups would start to listen, especially if they see their bottom lines start to dwindle over a race meet.
I've told some racetracks lately, if I can't bet their tracks and get a decent rebate through their racetrack or an onshore ADW, then I'll send my bets through an offshore racebook.

T2W

[Kelso]

Originally Posted by whaynswo

Before TrackNet, no one was squeezing anyone. That's cool though. Don't let the facts get in your way. Direct your anger towards the horsemen.

You read no defense of TrackNet from me, so don't try to paint me into their corner. Ain't gonna wash, fella. Peddle your straw men elsewhere.

As to "facts" ... you have offered none of substance. All you've posted are phantom attributions regarding TrackNet, decision-making and new players. Your primary contribution to this thread has been that claptrap about "equity" and "level playing fields." (I'm surprised ya forgot to use "fair" in your defense of ignorance and avarice. The stupid, the selfish and socialists just love to distract attention from FACTS with that one.)

And yes, the horsemen will continue to be targets of my anger as long as they insist on coveting a share of the pie that should be going to bettors ... via reduced takeout and rebates. As a group on the issue of takeout, they have revealed themselves to be as greedy as they are short-sighted. (On the latter characteristic, I fully understand your affinity for them.)

Originally Posted by whaynswo

Thanks for the bold, italics, capitalized, and underlined words. Otherwise I wouldn't have understood your basic sentences.

It was a genuine pleasure. I try to help the mentally challenged whenever an opportunity presents itself.

Originally Posted by whaynswo

So based on your reasoning, an entity that receives benefits based on a legal or regulatory change should be forever grateful and give back its new benefits to its customers? You keep showing your brilliance.

Clearly, you are no stronger at discerning reason than you are at reading for comprehension. I wrote ... IN RESPONSE TO YOUR OWN QUESTION ... that tracks should appreciate the found money dumped in their laps by simulcasting. While law was involved, certainly, I view simulcasting/ADWs to be much more a consequence of technical change than of political favor.

As to legal/regulatory change ... we all know how that comes about, don't we? Then again, you probably don't; so I'll help you out here, too. The horsemen played the system well and were amply rewarded by their captives in Congress. So their appreciation, sadly, must be directed at Capital Hill.

(Sincere congratulations for picking up on my brilliance. Perhaps there's hope for you yet.)

Originally Posted by whaynswo

You completely ignored the fact that I already said the system is broken and needed change.

So what? That's about the only thing you've wrote in this thread that's true. What's with your desperate desire for positive reinforcement? Teacher didn't call on you one of the few times you actually had the correct answer? Or a mama issue, maybe?

Originally Posted by whaynswo

Instead, you overreacted to my comment that the horsemen were within their legal right to use their leverage to achieve a more equitable revenue share. Typical message board fare.

There ya go, again! The wall fell, guy. Your side lost. Get over it.

(And. in my most humble opinion, my response was measured, pertinent and exceptionally well-reasoned. You really should try it that way, sometime. )

[Kelso]

Originally Posted by whaynswo

I forgot to add that based on your illogical reasoning, handicappers should be appreciative of ANY rebate since it too is "found" money, previously not available while wagering on-track.

NOW yer gettin' it! By gum, maybe there really IS hope for you, Gomer. Good for ya!!

Domestic ADWs have demonstrated the same greed and disdain for bettors as the horesmen and tracks have. So when a Premier Turf Club comes along and offers something that nobody else offers ... you're damned right I appreciate it! You should, too!! (Unless, that is, your only association with racing and money is as an owner or a relative of one.)

[PaceAdvantage]

Kelso and whaynswo, I suggest you both brush up on the TOS of PaceAdvantage.com

Don't bother with any more posts in this thread. They will be deleted. If you want to respond to this reply, do so via private message.

[LurkingBettor]

Originally Posted by trying2win

Lurking Bettor:

I admire you for taking action and sending that email to the Texas horsemen group. Too many PA members just complain here about this and that on horse racing issues, and are great at the 'TALKING THE TALK', but are unwillng on the part of 'WALKING THE TALK'.

T2W

Thanks for the kudos, T2W. For the record, I haven't heard anything back from the THG as of today. If anyone has a phone number, please post or private message and I'll put in a call. As I mentioned in my email to them, it's ironic, that as a horseman, I never received ANY type of communication on this action. (I do however still receive condition books for a couple of Texas tracks, so I gotta be on some type of mailing list.)

Another interesting side note: When I couldn't get Lone Star Park to come up on BetPad.com's website, I fired off an email to them about how to contact the Texas Horsemens Group. (They were the platform that WinTicket forced us Texas residents off on when TwinSpires didn't want us.) I personally talked to someone at BetPad at the time of the changeover, and they assured me they did NOT agree with the Texas Attorney General's standing on online wagering and WOULD accept bets from Texas residents accordingly.

The response to my most recent email to BetPad requesting contact info for the THG was that I needed to "contact the attorney general of Texas". I then sent that girl a link to the original BloodHorse article asking for more clarification on who is ultimately responsible for my lack of ability to get a $2 bet down.....1) the Texas Horsemen's Group, or 2) the Texas AG?

I haven't heard back from BetPad either. Imagine that. Is this a screwed up industry, or what?