Thread for Russian Attack on Ukraine

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by MargieRose

Are you saying that Zelinsky himself is heavily entwined in a corrupt Ukrainian government? Yes he's corrupt

If so, how do you weigh his dutifully firm leadership and unwavering bravery against this? He's been an actor in a former career, he's still putting on an "act"

Remember, he was offered a way out by some of the very people/entities that I believe you are saying he is part of, but yet he turned them down. Nothing but a movie, all part of the show

I don't understand what is the "opposite" that I should believe? You've always known....Yes you have

You have to research for yourself if you're still uncertain....I've posted enough.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

I've posted enough.

as if

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

And when crazy Vlad nukes us all on his way down the toilet, all of you can say "Yup, I was right!"


Do you guys actually think complex situations like this through?

Or is everything viewed through the prism of social justice and equity? Cause that's what it feels like right now. You're all feeling good about yourselves, yet the 100 Megaton elephant in the room still exists.

The western world is betting he’s not crazy. I think not but if you back someone into a corner who knows?

We know he has tactical nukes. Would he use them? According to Fiona Hill, yes.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by jimmyb

The man with all the answers knows this how? You Putins official CPA as well as his chief official military strategist? Ely, the all knowing.

Most estimates are putting the cost of the war around $20b a day.

[MargieRose]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

I found the female-equivalent of ely:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...there-00012340

I'm going to guess he agrees with Fiona Hill completely?

They both like to say "see, I was right!" lol

"...has a reputation for truth-telling, earned when she testified during impeachment hearings for her former boss, President Donald Trump."
Politico.com

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by MargieRose

"...has a reputation for truth-telling, earned when she testified during impeachment hearings for her former boss, President Donald Trump."
Politico.com

Yeah, I purposely left out that part.

She's a major propagandist when it comes to Trump.

Painting him as some self-absorbed, fragile-ego guy who doesn't do anything without thinking about how it will affect his re-election chances.

As if that's something different from most every other politician and former President of the United States.

That doesn't mean what she has to say about Putin and Russia is necessarily wrong.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

In light of that siezure, the oil money is exponentially more important, so why are we scared to shut it off?

I'm sure we'll get to it at some point if we need to.

Point is $50mil isn't even a drop in the bucket. In 5 days we've taken a sledgehammer to their economy. This makes "maximum pressure" (Iran) look like a Sunday BBQ.

And like I said even if we're buying stuff from them we aren't giving them dollars for it so it's pretty inconsequential.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Point is $50mil isn't even a drop in the bucket. In 5 days we've taken a sledgehammer to their economy. This makes "maximum pressure" (Iran) look like a Sunday BBQ.

What’s going to happen when there are riots in the streets? We’ve pretty much destroyed the ruble overnight.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by TJDave

What’s going to happen when there are riots in the streets? We’ve pretty much destroyed the ruble overnight.

Hopefully they remove Putin.

Revolutions aren't a rare occurrence in the motherland.

We simply cannot openly fight this fight. They aren't a NATO country. Even by NATO's charter they aren't eligible for membership.

NATO is a defensive alliance and by doing anything militarily we would be justifying Putin's excuse for all of this.

Next best thing we can do is nuke their economy and force the people and oligarchs to oust him.

Edit) I like like Fiona Hill interview. She identified the threat sooner than I did but she's also the expert. We agree on most.

[Dave Schwartz]

Originally Posted by TJDave

What’s going to happen when there are riots in the streets? We’ve pretty much destroyed the ruble overnight.

WE?

[jocko699]

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

WE?

YouTube

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

WE?

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ruble.../31727636.html

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

I found the female-equivalent of ely:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...there-00012340

I'm going to guess he agrees with Fiona Hill completely?

They both like to say "see, I was right!" lol

We agree on most things, yes.

Her testimony about Russia itself was the most interesting part to me during the impeachment.

Events have shown she was right about most things.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by TJDave

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ruble.../31727636.html

People don't usually understand how this stuff works.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

WE?

The world runs on dollars.

Russia can't use dollars anymore.