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Old 05-04-2018, 02:32 PM   #946
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PASPA was more than 25 years ago. I was more referring to recent history, when NJ has fought for 5+ years for this.

They're being forced to thread a ridiculous needle. Whatever the reasons PASPA was passed, it's a bad and discriminatory law. It should be repealed. But in the meantime, NJ deserves to reap the most benefit of fighting this fighting IMO.
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Old 05-04-2018, 03:34 PM   #947
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Puuhlleeeze!

It was a senator from NJ that was the driving force behind PASPA!

My favorite part of this was when NJ was claiming that they just wanted to repeal their existing law...which would technically mean that it wasn't illegal to take sports bets...until they realized that Louie from the corner would now be a law abiding citizen. So they decided to add language specifying where sports betting would be legal, and on what games (no NJ college teams or games).

PASPA made it illegal for NJ to authorize sports betting...so short of a straight, clean repeal of the state law...it seems that passing any regs on the subject could be construed as "authorization."

If the SCOTUS does not repeal PASPA outright, just make it OK for NJ to repeal its law, well, that may be fun to watch.
which is why it was framed as a "partial repeal" and that is exactly what it is.

They did not repeal: 0-20 year olds placing bets and people betting on Jersey college games and people placing bets at places other than a casino and a racetrack



They repealed some of the sports betting laws not all of them.

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Old 05-14-2018, 10:21 AM   #948
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And there it is. From Daniel Wallach:

BREAKING: U.S. Supreme Court rules that federal ban on state-sanctioned sports betting is unconstitutional. Decides case in favor of New Jersey. Floodgates now officially open for other states to allow sports betting. #RIPPASPA

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...6-476_dbfi.pdf

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Old 05-14-2018, 10:30 AM   #949
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And there it is:

BREAKING: U.S. Supreme Court rules that federal ban on state-sanctioned sports betting is unconstitutional. Decides case in favor of New Jersey. Floodgates now officially open for other states to allow sports betting. #RIPPASPA

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...6-476_dbfi.pdf
For those who doubted this it was a long drawn out process but the right decision was made. Last night I ran into ex Gov Christie at a local restaurant in Bernardsville New Jersey and he felt very good that this would pass the way it should have congratulations to him, Dennis Drazin and the legal team he assembled with ex Gov Christie to get this put in front of the Supreme Court of the United States Monmouth Park and the Meadowlands as well as the casino industry in New Jersey should be well on its way to maintaining itself without having to further cut racing dates. I would expect a lot of positive changes going forward within the next year for Racing in the state of New Jersey.
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Old 05-14-2018, 11:13 AM   #950
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The floodgates are open now. You want to place a bet on the*Giants to win the Super Bowl? You'll be able to do so legally, in a matter of weeks, at a shiny new sports book at Monmouth Park.* But this*isn't going to stop there. You can, ahem, bet o...
http://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2...se_column.html
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Old 05-14-2018, 11:29 AM   #951
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Great news for Monmouth.

Now we have to keep the state from taking too much from the horsemen and casino operators.

Right now Sports betting is unregulated at the state level in Jersey.

I wonder how long it will stay like that.

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Old 05-14-2018, 11:33 AM   #952
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Here is an interesting quote from Supreme Court Justice Alito: "Congress can regulate sports gambling directly, but if it elects not to do so, each State is free to act on its own."
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Old 05-14-2018, 11:54 AM   #953
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Here is an interesting quote from Supreme Court Justice Alito: "Congress can regulate sports gambling directly, but if it elects not to do so, each State is free to act on its own."
Depending on how large the "revenue" stream is from taxes on sports betting will determine if the Fed .gov wants to keep their fingers in the pie.

You will know Uncle Sam is desperate for cash when they rule state restrictions in Utah on sports betting are unconstitutional....
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Old 05-14-2018, 12:20 PM   #954
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Meanwhile, in Arizona, this is the scene as legislatures plot their next move to get a slice of the pie.

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Great news for Monmouth.

Now we have to keep the state from taking too much from the horsemen and casino operators.

Right now Sports betting is unregulated at the state level in Jersey.

I wonder how long it will stay like that.

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You are talking about bill A39II which sets tax rates for bets placed in person and online as well as licensing and the operation of sports betting at casinos and racetracks. This will take quite a while to implement.
Last week at the MP luncheon Dennis stated that there would be no “integrity” fee which is A payment for the professional sports leagues to police their own games and get part of the proceeds as they knew they were going to be defeated at some point.
Overall for the short term MP is going to be jumping now they need to get rid of Navarro!
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You are talking about bill A39II which sets tax rates for bets placed in person and online as well as licensing and the operation of sports betting at casinos and racetracks. This will take quite a while to implement.
Last week at the MP luncheon Dennis stated that there would be no “integrity” fee which is A payment for the professional sports leagues to police their own games and get part of the proceeds as they knew they were going to be defeated at some point.
Overall for the short term MP is going to be jumping now they need to get rid of Navarro!
Yes, it takes quite a while from the introduction of the bill to the governors sign. I image all interested parties will be there at the table negotiating a good deal for all.

Until than Monmouth is on its own, making their own regulations and paying NOTHING to the state. all of the profit going to will hill, Monmouth and the horsemen.

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Old 05-14-2018, 09:12 PM   #957
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Now attention will turn to federal efforts to get in the way, on behalf of the NFL and the other leagues. Orrin Hatch, a hypocrite's hypocrite, has promised to introduce a bill if he doesn't die of old age or retire first. This won't help anyone.

I'm very invested in the NFL getting bubkus out of this. They have no leverage, and they've been bad faith actors for decades on the subject. They'll benefit from added interest, and that's payment enough.
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Now attention will turn to federal efforts to get in the way, on behalf of the NFL and the other leagues. Orrin Hatch, a hypocrite's hypocrite, has promised to introduce a bill if he doesn't die of old age or retire first. This won't help anyone.

I'm very invested in the NFL getting bubkus out of this. They have no leverage, and they've been bad faith actors for decades on the subject. They'll benefit from added interest, and that's payment enough.
Hatch,s bill has no chance, that ship sailed many moons ago. Can you image any gambling state senators voting against commercial interests in their state?

The time for hatch’s bill was 5 years ago when paspa was still in force.

Now it DOA.

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Hatch,s bill has no chance, that ship sailed many moons ago. Can you image any gambling state senators voting against commercial interests in their state?

The time for hatch’s bill was 5 years ago when paspa was still in force.

Now it DOA.

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Feel similar to you, but worried about the clout the NFL may still have at the Justice Department. Could see them making a dishonest case about the dangers of a federally-unregulated industry poses to kids, without federal integrity protections in place, blah blah. Also, states that aren't in line to profit quickly could try to block advantages that will accrue to other states like NJ, MA, CT, WV, PA.

Not sure how this legislation would do that, but the NFL and the other leagues will push very hard not to get cut out of any state schemes..
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I'd say it will be 6-3 in favor of Jersey's case.

Gorsuch, breyer, Kennedy, Alito, Thomas and Roberts on Jersey's side.

Most of them bought Jersey's argument.

Allan

PS--Opinion might be in time for Monmouth and the Casinos to take March Madness bets.

well even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.

Memorial day is the tentative start date for Will Hill at Monmouth Park.

https://www.app.com/story/sports/201...day/610634002/

Ready to roll.....

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