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02-07-2016, 02:29 PM
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I suppose that would leave out chapter 20 of Deuteronomy as well, heh?
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Chapter 20?
Is that where it is commanded that the attacking army kill all the men of the opposing side...while leaving the fruit trees unharmed? 
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02-07-2016, 02:32 PM
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Chapter 20?
Is that where it is commanded that the attacking army kill all the men of the opposing side...while leaving the fruit trees unharmed? |
Sounds like sound advice? Why kill a perfectly good food resource? Where's the wisdom in cutting off your nose to spite your face?
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02-07-2016, 02:37 PM
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You mean sanctioning capital punishment in the Law of Moses? For your info, he sanctioned capital punishment long before the Law was given to the Jews.
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A God who hands down an order to stone a man to death for a minor infraction is not someone that I could pray to. But I wouldn't presume to tell YOU what to do.
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02-07-2016, 02:57 PM
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Yes. There are parts of the Old Testament that are hard to believe that Moses and God were truly talking to one another, especially with respect to the man gathering sticks on the Sabbath.
Julian Jaynes postulated that Moses had to be suffering hallucinations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Jaynes
35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...6&version=NKJV
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02-07-2016, 03:05 PM
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Yes. There are parts of the Old Testament that are hard to believe that Moses and God were truly talking to one another, especially with respect to the man gathering sticks on the Sabbath.
Julian Jaynes postulated that Moses had to be suffering hallucinations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Jaynes
35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...6&version=NKJV |
There was no Moses, no exodus.
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02-07-2016, 03:10 PM
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Yes. There are parts of the Old Testament that are hard to believe that Moses and God were truly talking to one another, especially with respect to the man gathering sticks on the Sabbath.
Julian Jaynes postulated that Moses had to be suffering hallucinations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Jaynes
35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...6&version=NKJV |
I guess the moral to that story is that we should truly take to heart that "the wages of [any, all] sin is death".
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02-07-2016, 03:13 PM
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There was no Moses, no exodus.
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So no stoning? Just an ancient ancestor of Hans Christian Andersen penning history??
I think that there has to be some truths in the Old Testament with respect to Jewish history.
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02-07-2016, 03:16 PM
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A God who hands down an order to stone a man to death for a minor infraction is not someone that I could pray to. But I wouldn't presume to tell YOU what to do.
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Minor to whom? You? Of course, it would be. After all, you're not a holy man let alone the infinitely holy God, are you?
As it is written:
James 2:10
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
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I wonder how folks get the idea that all they have to be in this life is be "good enough" and they'll get to pass through the pearly gates?
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02-07-2016, 03:17 PM
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There was no Moses, no exodus.
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You forgot one: No Moses, no Exodus, no Law!
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02-07-2016, 04:11 PM
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Minor to whom? You? Of course, it would be. After all, you're not a holy man let alone the infinitely holy God, are you?
As it is written:
James 2:10
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
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I wonder how folks get the idea that all they have to be in this life is be "good enough" and they'll get to pass through the pearly gates?
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They also accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath Law. Do you recall what Jesus's reply was? How come they didn't stone JESUS to death? Or, do you suppose that the Sabbath Law applied only to gathering wood.
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02-07-2016, 04:30 PM
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They also accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath Law. Do you recall what Jesus's reply was? How come they didn't stone JESUS to death? Or, do you suppose that the Sabbath Law applied only to gathering wood. |
They accused Him of that often, so what reply of his do you have in mind?
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02-07-2016, 04:33 PM
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They accused Him of that often, so what reply of his do you have in mind?
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Why wasn't JESUS stoned to death, Boxcar?
The "Sabbath Law" applied only when the guilty party lacked the right "connections"?
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02-07-2016, 04:58 PM
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Why wasn't JESUS stoned to death, Boxcar?
The "Sabbath Law" applied only when the guilty party lacked the right "connections"? |
What reply of Jesus do you have in mind? He replied various ways to his accusers? Am I supposed to read your mind?
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02-07-2016, 05:08 PM
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What reply of Jesus do you have in mind? He replied various ways to his accusers? Am I supposed to read your mind?
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Go read Mark 2:25-27...and you'll see how much respect Jesus had for those laws that you think warranted a "death sentence", from God himself.
Jesus broke those "laws" with impunity...which contradicts your assertion that God is against ALL forms of transgression. Why would God hand down a death sentence for a transgression that Jesus himself indulged in?
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02-07-2016, 05:29 PM
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Go read Mark 2:25-27...and you'll see how much respect Jesus had for those laws that you think warranted a "death sentence", from God himself.
Jesus broke those "laws" with impunity...which contradicts your assertion that God is against ALL forms of transgression. Why would God hand down a death sentence for a transgression that Jesus himself indulged in?
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Jesus broke no laws. I will address the above passage when I return from church or tomorrow.
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