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11-11-2017, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
I'm struggling with the same thing in my own ratings.
I don't think our own turf sprinters are very good (relative to our routers), but it seems as though the Euro turf sprinters could be worse.
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There is no real incentive for our good horses to be turf sprinters. There are only one G1 and maybe for G2s all year long.
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11-11-2017, 02:16 PM
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vaguely on topic...
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well i don't think there's any doubt that the american horses have an advantage at short distances, in general
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11-11-2017, 03:07 PM
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Turf sprints are pretty much card fillers.
They are like Denny's - no one seeks to run in them, you just end up there when you can't run anywhere else.
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11-11-2017, 04:24 PM
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vaguely on topic...
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Tom,
don't be like that, it's not the pinnacle of racing but everyone should have a lot of respect for all those hard-knocking sprinters out there!
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11-14-2017, 04:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
There is no real incentive for our good horses to be turf sprinters. There are only one G1 and maybe for G2s all year long.
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I get that. But why are they so bad in Europe?
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well i don't think there's any doubt that the american horses have an advantage at short distances, in general
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I guess it's this.
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11-14-2017, 09:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
I get that. But why are they so bad in Europe?
I guess it's this.
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It isn't just US horses. Australia and Hong Kong are certainly better at sprinting as well.
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11-14-2017, 10:53 PM
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The answer is pace isn't it? Not surface or country but the pace of American racing defeats European horses. It is almost impossible to judge but I think it is the only real factor.
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11-14-2017, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by CincyHorseplayer
The answer is pace isn't it? Not surface or country but the pace of American racing defeats European horses. It is almost impossible to judge but I think it is the only real factor.
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I don't think it is pace personally, not in sprint races. It could be training to some extent.
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11-14-2017, 11:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
It isn't just US horses. Australia and Hong Kong are certainly better at sprinting as well.
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I'm surprised that the Australians don't come over here and win this race annually. Perhaps it is not enough money to ship all that way, but they have a clear class edge than American turf sprinters and will not be run off their feet like a euro might.
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11-14-2017, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by menifee
I'm surprised that the Australians don't come over here and win this race annually. Perhaps it is not enough money to ship all that way, but they have a clear class edge than American turf sprinters and will not be run off their feet like a euro might.
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Agree. They've shipped to England and won big races in the past. I think it probably just isn't enough money to come here, enter, and take a chance of drawing the 12 post going 5f.
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