Blackjack

[Dave Schwartz]

Originally Posted by davew

I am now reading an autobiography

Edward O. Thorpe - A Man For All Markets


He describes how in the early 60's some dealers sneaked a peak at top card to see if they wanted to give the players the top card or the unknown next card. Many were very good at dealing the second card.

Is this what you are describing here?

LOL Absolutely.

Oh, I could tell you stories.
At least from times before 1979 - when I got religion.
(Seriously.)

But even before that, I never beat up on good players.
I figured if a guy worked hard enough to be... competitive... the least I could do was give him a fair shake.

Unless he was an a$$hole.
Then he was toast.
(Again, oy vey! Such stories I could tell you!)

[davew]

amazing response time to an 8 year old post and thread

I have watched some on youtube and the hands cover the deck fairly well. How and when does the dealer peak at the top card?

Should a player watch the dealers hands or eyes to detect this?

[lamboguy]

the house don't need to cheat anyone these days with the blackjack rules they have in place today.. dealer hits the soft 17 and the blackjack pays the player 6/5.

no matter how good you count those cards, the house is going to wind up cleaning you out with those rules.. all the house needs to do is find people to sit in their chairs and they will separate them from their cash.

[Dave Schwartz]

Originally Posted by davew

amazing response time to an 8 year old post and thread

I have watched some on youtube and the hands cover the deck fairly well. How and when does the dealer peak at the top card?

Should a player watch the dealers hands or eyes to detect this?

Yes, it is in the hands, but also in the dealer's eyes. (i.e. Where are they looking?)


The best way to understand this is to get a deck of cards and hold it in your hand as if you are going to deal.

1. Hold the deck in your RIGHT hand, with the card back facing upward. (It is important to hold the deck as if you deal left-handed.)

2. See the upper-right corner of the card? (Right next to your right thumb.)

3. Using your right thumb, just lift the upper-right corner of the card. No need for slight of hand - just for illustration.

See how easy that is?
See how the card value is right there for you to see?

Next try it with the cards in your left hand.

What you will notice that the number is on the wrong corner of the card!

The Point:
Left-handers are ready made to peek at the top card whenever their DECKHAND IS UPSIDE DOWN. They are said to be peeking off the FRONT OF THE DECK.

Right-handers have a more difficult time of it. Instead of simply rotating the card slightly out from the top, they must rotate the card outward from the BOTTOM in order to see the number.


PART 2: When to look
Left-handers "turn the deck over" when:

1. they slide the hole card underneath.
2. Whenever they reach out with the deck hand to capture checks to the rack, or pick up broken hands.
3. When they are aligning your money on a double-down.

There are other times but these 3 are the most obvious.

IOW, a lefthander has had several opportunities DURING or BETWEEN hands while doing their natural work.

For a righthander, it is a little harder, but still quite doable. Just remember that a righthander has to peek off the BACK of the deck instead of the front.

Dave

PS: I was taught at age 9 to deal left-handed because I was groomed to be a card mechanic. By age 15 that was a reality.

[delayjf]

I can watch a card mechanic all day. They will tell you what they are doing and you still cannot see it. Its impressive to watch a dealer deal seconds or from the bottom of the deck, but watching someone deal from the middle of the deck is incredible, or watching someone deal poker and set multiple hands up for a big kill is mind blowing.

True story...I was walking out of the Riviera in Vegas back in the 90's and struck up a conversation with another guy who was leaving the casino at the same time I was. In the conversation, we both confused that we just had a winning session. He won playing craps and then asked me what I was playing and I said Blackjack. He shook his head and said "Son, you don't want to play blackjack in this town, and it you go buy a used deck of cards, I will show you why. I said ok and we went back inside the casino and sat down in the bar. He told me to suffle the deck a few times then give the deck to him - Which I did. He took the deck, told me to keep an eyes on his eyes as he scuffled the deck looking up at the ceiling. He then asked me to cut the cards and deal told me he was going to himself a twenty and deal me a blackjack - which he then proceeded to do. Then he told me he was going to deal himself a blackjack and me a twenty - which he did while stating "that's why you don't want to play blackjack", it was amazing, The guy was a former dealer with 20 years experience. I offered to buy him a beer for the show, but he had to go. What an eye opener. Lesson learned, I only play shoe games from then on,

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by delayjf

I can watch a card mechanic all day. They will tell you what they are doing and you still cannot see it. Its impressive to watch a dealer deal seconds or from the bottom of the deck, but watching someone deal from the middle of the deck is incredible, or watching someone deal poker and set multiple hands up for a big kill is mind blowing.

True story...I was walking out of the Riviera in Vegas back in the 90's and struck up a conversation with another guy who was leaving the casino at the same time I was. In the conversation, we both confused that we just had a winning session. He won playing craps and then asked me what I was playing and I said Blackjack. He shook his head and said "Son, you don't want to play blackjack in this town, and it you go buy a used deck of cards, I will show you why. I said ok and we went back inside the casino and sat down in the bar. He told me to suffle the deck a few times then give the deck to him - Which I did. He took the deck, told me to keep an eyes on his eyes as he scuffled the deck looking up at the ceiling. He then asked me to cut the cards and deal told me he was going to himself a twenty and deal me a blackjack - which he then proceeded to do. Then he told me he was going to deal himself a blackjack and me a twenty - which he did while stating "that's why you don't want to play blackjack", it was amazing, The guy was a former dealer with 20 years experience. I offered to buy him a beer for the show, but he had to go. What an eye opener. Lesson learned, I only play shoe games from then on,

all true.. the guy that owned the Riviera in the 1990's was a fellow by the name of Ricklis. he had a corporation called AITS that was the holding company of the place. Ricklis spent his whole life scamming people out their money.

on another note, i doubt that these big corporations are cheating these days.. they really don't have to with the rules they have, dealer hits soft 17 and pays 6/5 on blackjack.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

all true.. the guy that owned the Riviera in the 1990's was a fellow by the name of Ricklis. he had a corporation called AITS that was the holding company of the place. Ricklis spent his whole life scamming people out their money.

I worked indirectly for him in the late 70’s as a musician. Ricklis was then married to Pia Zadora and spent unlimited amounts trying to promote her talents…of which she had ZERO. Was happy to take his money though.

[thaskalos]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meshulam_Riklis

[mountainman]

Originally Posted by TJDave

Ricklis was then married to Pia Zadora and spent unlimited amounts trying to promote her talents…of which she had ZERO.

I would assume his efforts included the fair-sized media-blitz that attempted (largely in vain) to drum up interest in the bizarre film Butterfy, in which Stacy Keach played her long- estranged father. The ads, if i recall, revealed little, while teasing Butterfly as "unlike anything you've ever seen."

Better that approach, I suppose, then so much as hinting at the movie's titillating and tone-deaf presentation of its central theme, incest. Pia had a distinctive, almost palpably taboo "woman child" appearance, and the film exploited that in as hard and as dirty a manner as possible.

[Kenneth]

Originally Posted by Valuist

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[geroge.burns99]

Originally Posted by Kenneth

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Well said....

i think

Tom, can u translate please

[NorCalGreg]

My first chance to use Google translator:

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[MPRanger]

Not just that. The best card counters in the world can't get much more than a 1.5 % edge if they make no mistakes. Then they have to play with real money to earn anything near making it worth it. That's hand after hand hour after hour.

Why do you think team play is a thing? It's not just to identify more tables favorable to the player so some guy putting on an act can get a signal and come over and bet big into a hot deck. They don't even need the big player if they are competent. The benefit of teams is to get more of the bankroll into play in advantagous conditions in the same time a single player can only get much less into play.

It's basically not worth the effort if earning money is the objective.

[lamboguy]

the newest gaff that large casino genius has come up with is a zero, a double zero, and now the triple zero all over.

it is basically impossible to win at any casino these days. i mean just about every living human that walks into those places is going to lose. in the long run its actually bad for businesses to clean the customers out fast. the customer won't come back and he won't recommend the casino to his friends. if i owned one of these joints, the best advertisement would be for some lucky sucker to walk out of those places winning about $10k on a roulette wheel or a blackjack table. i would think that would be better than advertising on television for them.

[geroge.burns99]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

the newest gaff that large casino genius has come up with is a zero, a double zero, and now the triple zero all over.

it is basically impossible to win at any casino these days. i mean just about every living human that walks into those places is going to lose. in the long run its actually bad for businesses to clean the customers out fast. the customer won't come back and he won't recommend the casino to his friends. if i owned one of these joints, the best advertisement would be for some lucky sucker to walk out of those places winning about $10k on a roulette wheel or a blackjack table. i would think that would be better than advertising on television for them.

What they are doing is to the young and uninformed....

Us older generation know what's going on and we just move on.....

haven't gone to AC since before covid...I can imagine how it like now..