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06-01-2012, 04:30 PM
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There seems to be no shortage of conspiracy theorists when the higher odds horse wins out of two, or more, from the same stable.
Heck, an Irish trainer won a classic in England today, and had five uncoupled horses in the race. He won with a 20-1 shot. Was the fix in?
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06-01-2012, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Karakiozis
Hello my friend,I knew you will chime in,
IMO the only reason the the #5 was in the race was to inflate the odds on the #8.
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I don't remember debating this issue with you previously, so you must have a better memory than me or you're prescient.
I think your claim's absurd. Todd Pletcher doesn't need to waste a race in order to manipulate the odds.
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06-01-2012, 05:27 PM
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We all remember the few times the longer shot of two uncoupled entries won (and yes a few trainers do like to pull this move) but forget the hundreds of times one part of a coupled entry figured and the other half had no shot and ran like it. As far as conspiracies go, this one is down the list. If anyone wants to point them out before the race, go for it---there's a Selections forum.
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06-01-2012, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
I don't remember debating this issue with you previously, so you must have a better memory than me or you're prescient.
I think your claim's absurd. Todd Pletcher doesn't need to waste a race in order to manipulate the odds.
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My friend,years ago when horse racing was the king of all gambling games horse players used to start fires and riot for incidents not as serious as the one Mr Pletcher pulled off the other day @ Monmouth, and don't forget how many times Toddy boy has been suspended for drugging horses.
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06-01-2012, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Karakiozis
My friend,years ago when horse racing was the king of all gambling games horse players used to start fires and riot for incidents not as serious as the one Mr Pletcher pulled off the other day @ Monmouth, and don't forget how many times Toddy boy has been suspended for drugging horses.
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How many?
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06-01-2012, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
How many?
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Several times I don't have the exact count.
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06-01-2012, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Karakiozis
Several times I don't have the exact count.
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Surely someone must know...he's one of the top trainers in the land...
Who has more? Baffert or Pletcher?
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06-01-2012, 06:26 PM
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Any time you restrict variables the puzzle becomes less complex. Strictly from a handicapping and wagering perspective, I am for uncoupled entries and against coupled entries.
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06-01-2012, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Marlin
Any time you restrict variables the puzzle becomes less complex. Strictly from a handicapping and wagering perspective, I am for uncoupled entries and against coupled entries.
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...I agree. The more possible combinations there are the better chance of a larger hit. It`s up to me to figure it out, and if I`m wrong thats my tough luck. 
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06-01-2012, 07:19 PM
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He has had 4 since 2004
Not a lot for sure
Trainers screw up
All four of those violations were theraputic
Sometimes it doesnt clear the system
When you give it to a horse 40 hours out, and its supposed to clear in 36
Pletcher has never been caught with anything serious
Just cause he wins dont assume hes cheating
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06-01-2012, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by maclr11
Just cause he wins dont assume hes cheating
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Shhh you're making sense and that will hurt his conspiracy claims!  
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06-01-2012, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by maclr11
He has had 4 since 2004
Not a lot for sure
Trainers screw up
All four of those violations were theraputic
Sometimes it doesnt clear the system
When you give it to a horse 40 hours out, and its supposed to clear in 36
Pletcher has never been caught with anything serious
Just cause he wins dont assume hes cheating
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You can make all the excuses you want for the cheat
It always is the same lame excuses for the drug cheats (((theraputic
Sometimes it doesn't clear the system and and on and on))) 4 violations that's 4 too many, how come trainers like Shug Mcgaughay Graham Motion, C.Christophe and many others have no positives,it's always the same characters Drug O'neil, Tricky Dick Dutrow, Pletcher, Asmussen, Vladimir Syringe,and many others, IMO if horse racing commissions had any b@@##s these cheats would've been suspended for life years ago. I forgot cobra venom Biancone he was banned for life from France and Hong Kong but in the old U.S.A he is allowed to hold a training license, INCREDIBLE!!!
Last edited by Karakiozis; 06-01-2012 at 08:29 PM.
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06-02-2012, 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Karakiozis
You can make all the excuses you want for the cheat
It always is the same lame excuses for the drug cheats (((theraputic
Sometimes it doesn't clear the system and and on and on))) 4 violations that's 4 too many, how come trainers like Shug Mcgaughay Graham Motion, C.Christophe and many others have no positives,it's always the same characters Drug O'neil, Tricky Dick Dutrow, Pletcher, Asmussen, Vladimir Syringe,and many others, IMO if horse racing commissions had any b@@##s these cheats would've been suspended for life years ago. I forgot cobra venom Biancone he was banned for life from France and Hong Kong but in the old U.S.A he is allowed to hold a training license, INCREDIBLE!!!
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You could just admit your mistake...the fact that you put Pletcher's name on the same line as Dutrow, et al. speaks volumes on your objectivity.
And where is Baffert's name? I seem to recall a study posted here in the last couple of weeks that showed Baffert with WAY MORE positives (in 2010) than Pletcher...magnitudes of order MORE...
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06-02-2012, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
You could just admit your mistake...the fact that you put Pletcher's name on the same line as Dutrow, et al. speaks volumes on your objectivity.
And where is Baffert's name? I seem to recall a study posted here in the last couple of weeks that showed Baffert with WAY MORE positives (in 2010) than Pletcher...magnitudes of order MORE...
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IMO Drug cheats are drug cheats, and they all belong in the same line regardless of how many positives each has.
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06-02-2012, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Karakiozis
IMO Drug cheats are drug cheats, and they all belong in the same line regardless of how many positives each has.
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So then, you'd put Bill Mott's name on that line then? He has had at least one that I know of...
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