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07-20-2018, 01:45 AM
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#91
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Originally Posted by GMB@BP
well said.
You cannot handicap the same when there is a large field, or should I say make the same picks.
I generally play in the smaller tournaments and pick and pray. I hate the blind stabbing that happens in the live games at the end.
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Yes, the large games are about placing priority on the admixture of uniqueness of your selection, value, and ability to win. Anecdotally, picking a target amount and sticking with it has had the most success for me (and the least frustration). I like the smaller games as well - they get quite a bit of action and are nice to play first thing in the morning and check out at night if I've been out for the day, I find it a relaxing, competitive, intellectual activity with other players, like a chess game. I have a high regard for other players that take time to provide this action, which is unique in that I'm not playing against a faceless pool, maybe it's "Longshot Jack" again and if I'm watching the races, I'm cringing as every 15-1 shot that has won 1 of 26 starts breaks well... or maybe its "Chalky Stan" and he's hit the last four winners at $5.80 and I'm on the last race with my favorite 12-1 for the day.. and I'm always hoping they are having the same enjoyment regardless of where they are coming from..
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07-20-2018, 02:10 AM
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#92
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Originally Posted by v j stauffer
I think you've overestimated what it takes in mythical tournaments. My rule of thumb has always been to average $8.00 per race which will almost always land you in the top ten.
People at the top, especially in much larger fields, tend to get very conservative towards the end of tournaments which keep the top totals down.
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My basis were the monster 200+ person NHC qualifiers on horsetourneys.com the median winner was about $11 when I did that study some time ago - this could be terminology mean versus median? Also mine will be right shifted a little bit from the average ... this median was to win an entry (1st or 2nd place) based on all the races used in multiple contests over a year..
I think the basis is do the research (or talk to players in your circle), understand the end game goal in a dollar target, match it to your play style, develop a process and execute.
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07-21-2018, 01:17 AM
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#93
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
Sure. But I'll take it out of the dinner check.
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Played $179.00 BCBC on Saturday
Played $400.00 Del Mar on Sunday
Played $500 BCBC on Sunday
But saved this...............
victor stauffer
Balance: $22.00
Just for you Mr. Thask!
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07-21-2018, 01:30 AM
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#94
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Originally Posted by v j stauffer
Played $179.00 BCBC on Saturday
Played $400.00 Del Mar on Sunday
Played $500 BCBC on Sunday
But saved this...............
victor stauffer
Balance: $22.00
Just for you Mr. Thask!
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I hope you win 3 out of 4.
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07-21-2018, 01:45 AM
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07-21-2018, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by BCOURTNEY
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I'm skipping my usual Sunday activities just to watch.
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07-21-2018, 08:52 AM
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#97
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
These "elite tournament players"...how successful are they when they play the game the "parimutuel" way? I ask because, in poker, the tournament stars are often woefully overmatched when they venture into the top cash games.
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Stupid question, Thask. Are those tv tournaments with big names not considered top cash games? The coverage on some them is woefully bad. My limited experience with poker has been playing the same group of 6 or 7 guys over a 25 year period.
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07-21-2018, 10:32 AM
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#98
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
I hope you win 3 out of 4.
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Just registered.
$22.00 Gulfstream Pick n Pray for Sunday 7/22.
You can make sure it's me in there. They have a feature where you can see who's already in.
It's on baby!
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07-21-2018, 10:34 AM
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07-21-2018, 01:13 PM
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#100
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Originally Posted by Whosonfirst
Stupid question, Thask. Are those tv tournaments with big names not considered top cash games? The coverage on some them is woefully bad. My limited experience with poker has been playing the same group of 6 or 7 guys over a 25 year period.
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Yet another example of why this board often leaves me in an advanced state of confusion. You've called my question "stupid"...while Vic Stauffer called it "excellent". Which one of you guys am I now supposed to believe?
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07-21-2018, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
Yet another example of why this board often leaves me in an advanced state of confusion. You've called my question "stupid"...while Vic Stauffer called it "excellent". Which one of you guys am I now supposed to believe?
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Mr Thaskalos, have you not heard that expression in real life. By stating Stupid question, I'm referring to my question, not your's. I even attempted to qualify my inexperience at poker, well nevermind. Sorry to have offended you, no need to respond.
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07-21-2018, 06:25 PM
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#102
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Originally Posted by Whosonfirst
Mr Thaskalos, have you not heard that expression in real life. By stating Stupid question, I'm referring to my question, not your's. I even attempted to qualify my inexperience at poker, well nevermind. Sorry to have offended you, no need to respond.
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I wasn't offended...I was just trying to point out that what appears "stupid" to one person could easily seem 'excellent' to another. And, to answer your question...NO, I don't think tournament play is the equivalent of parimuruel play, for several reasons...chief of which is the fact that the onerous takeout associated with the game burdens the parimutuel player to a much greater extent than it does the tournament player.
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07-21-2018, 06:27 PM
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#103
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Thanks to all that contributed to this thread. Good info for me to digest.
So i'm over at HorseTourneys right now trying to learn more. Can someone tell me how people got into this tournament they have going on today. It's the featured $40,000 guaranteed tournament. How much did it cost to get in this tournament? Were there feeders or qualifiers?
Man, they're going for serious money here. Winner gets $18,000.? Good luck Mr. Courtney.
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07-21-2018, 06:38 PM
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#104
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Originally Posted by JeremyJet
Thanks to all that contributed to this thread. Good info for me to digest.
So i'm over at HorseTourneys right now trying to learn more. Can someone tell me how people got into this tournament they have going on today. It's the featured $40,000 guaranteed tournament. How much did it cost to get in this tournament? Were there feeders or qualifiers?
Man, they're going for serious money here. Winner gets $18,000.? Good luck Mr. Courtney.
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well...
You could just enter for the entry fee, what was it $400?
If not paying that you can do this
Win Round 1 feeder (usually around $20), win round 2 feeder (usually around $90)
or
enter round 2 feeder and win.
Thats about it.
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07-21-2018, 06:44 PM
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#105
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Handicapper
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Chicago
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
well...
You could just enter for the entry fee, what was it $400?
If not paying that you can do this
Win Round 1 feeder (usually around $20), win round 2 feeder (usually around $90)
or
enter round 2 feeder and win.
Thats about it.
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Yeah, I see now. It was a $450 entry fee. There was a feeder early this morning.
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