Cubs gave up 4 great prospects for Quintana

[Jess Hawsen Arown]

Quintana has shown flashes, but never completed the picture. They better win this year.

I think it was a great deal for the chisox.

[thaskalos]

With the Dodgers featuring Kershaw, Wood, McCarthy and Hill...what the heck do the Cubs think they can accomplish with Quintana?

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

With the Dodgers featuring Kershaw, Wood, McCarthy and Hill...what the heck do the Cubs think they can accomplish with Quintana?

Don't worry about the Cubs, Joe Maddon will take care of everything...

[olddaddy]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

With the Dodgers featuring Kershaw, Wood, McCarthy and Hill...what the heck do the Cubs think they can accomplish with Quintana?

If you are counting on these Dodger four to carry them through the playoffs, you will be very disappointed.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by olddaddy

If you are counting on these Dodger four to carry them through the playoffs, you will be very disappointed.

Let's see now. The Dodgers have unquestionably the best starting pitching in all of baseball...they have the most dominating closer...and they score 5.1 runs per game, which is 4th in the entire league. And all this...while all the other high-scoring teams have serious pitching problems...which they can't possibly solve. So, you are right...how far in the playoffs can the Dodgers possibly go?

Who can keep the Dodgers out of the World Series this year? Do you realize that Alex Wood has been better than KERSHAW this year?

[mostpost]

I was when I heard the Cubs had acquired Quintana. Combined with the return of Kyle Hendricks, this gives the Cubs a starting rotation of Jon Lester; Kyle Hendricks; Jose Quintana; Jake Arrietta and either John Lackey or Mike Montgomery in the fifth slot. Compare that to the rotation the last month of Lester, Arrieta, Lackey, Montgomery and Butler. Definitely an improvement.

In Eloi Jimenez the White Sox got a player who will help them big time a few years down the road. Dylan Cease is a pitcher with a major upside, but still a few years away.

With Heyward, Almora, Schwarber, and Happ ahead of him and Bryant, Contreras Baez and Zobrist capable of playing outfield, there was no room for Jimenez on the Cubs.

And Quintana is under contract through 2020 with a very reasonable contract.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by Jess Hawsen Arown

Quintana has shown flashes, but never completed the picture. They better win this year.

I think it was a great deal for the chisox.

It could be a great deal for the Chisox in three or four years.

It's a great deal for the Cubs now. You remember the Cubs, right? They're the team that is having a terrible year, but would still be three games ahead of the Mets if they were in the same division.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by mostpost

I was when I heard the Cubs had acquired Quintana. Combined with the return of Kyle Hendricks, this gives the Cubs a starting rotation of Jon Lester; Kyle Hendricks; Jose Quintana; Jake Arrietta and either John Lackey or Mike Montgomery in the fifth slot. Compare that to the rotation the last month of Lester, Arrieta, Lackey, Montgomery and Butler. Definitely an improvement.

In Eloi Jimenez the White Sox got a player who will help them big time a few years down the road. Dylan Cease is a pitcher with a major upside, but still a few years away.

With Heyward, Almora, Schwarber, and Happ ahead of him and Bryant, Contreras Baez and Zobrist capable of playing outfield, there was no room for Jimenez on the Cubs.

And Quintana is under contract through 2020 with a very reasonable contract.

I am a Cub fan, but their starting pitching rotation doesn't scare anyone...and they aren't hitting the ball. As we say in Wrigleyville..."Wait 'til next year".

[olddaddy]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Let's see now. The Dodgers have unquestionably the best starting pitching in all of baseball...they have the most dominating closer...and they score 5.1 runs per game, which is 4th in the entire league. And all this...while all the other high-scoring teams have serious pitching problems...which they can't possibly solve. So, you are right...how far in the playoffs can the Dodgers possibly go?

Who can keep the Dodgers out of the World Series this year? Do you realize that Alex Wood has been better than KERSHAW this year?

Dont count on McCarthy or Hill. It will be tough to get through the Nats with 2 starters. And dont count out your cubbies. If the cubbie four of lester, arrieta, hendricks and now quintana are all right, Ill take that four over the dodger four every day of the week and twice on sunday.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by olddaddy

Dont count on McCarthy or Hill. It will be tough to get through the Nats with 2 starters. And dont count out your cubbies. If the cubbie four of lester, arrieta, hendricks and now quintana are all right, Ill take that four over the dodger four every day of the week and twice on sunday.

Kershaw, Wood, McCarthy and Hill are a HUGE favorite over Lester, Arrieta, Hendricks and Quintana. And this is coming from a big Cub fan.

PS...

The Dodger four are also a sizable favorite against Scherzer, Strasburg, Gonzalez and Roark (or Ross).

[olddaddy]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Kershaw, Wood, McCarthy and Hill are a HUGE favorite over Lester, Arrieta, Hendricks and Quintana. And this is coming from a big Cub fan.

PS...

The Dodger four are also a sizable favorite against Scherzer, Strasburg, Gonzalez and Roarke.

Do you realize Rich Hill is 37 and has only pitched more than 100 innings twice in a season? And that was 195 innings 10 years ago and 110 last year.

McCarthy who is now 34 is constantly hurt and on the DL.


The Dodgers have two legit starters, your cubbies and nats have four. Maybe the nats have 3 1/2.

[kingfin66]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Let's see now. The Dodgers have unquestionably the best starting pitching in all of baseball...they have the most dominating closer...and they score 5.1 runs per game, which is 4th in the entire league. And all this...while all the other high-scoring teams have serious pitching problems...which they can't possibly solve. So, you are right...how far in the playoffs can the Dodgers possibly go?

Who can keep the Dodgers out of the World Series this year? Do you realize that Alex Wood has been better than KERSHAW this year?

Usually it's Kershaw who keep the Dodgers out of the World Series. He gets them to the playoffs then falls off the cliff.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by olddaddy

Do you realize Rich Hill is 37 and has only pitched more than 100 innings twice in a season? And that was 195 innings 10 years ago and 110 last year.

McCarthy who is now 34 is constantly hurt and on the DL.


The Dodgers have two legit starters, your cubbies and nats have four. Maybe the nats have 3 1/2.

You are not being fair to Kenta Maeda...IMO. He is a better 4th starter than you can find on any other team out there. If McCarthy or Hill go down...then Maeda can fill the 4th spot quite nicely...IMO. The Cubs may indeed have 4 "legitimate" starters, but they've all been decidedly unimpressive this year. And their offense has been asleep all year.

And, don't forget...Hill's problems are blister-related, not arm-related...and he was very impressive in his last couple starts.

When you hit like the Dodgers do...you can overcome a soft spot in your starting rotation. When you hit like the Cubs are hitting this year...then you are in trouble, because your pitching obviously can't carry the load.

And the Nats have obvious relief-pitching concerns.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by kingfin66

Usually it's Kershaw who keep the Dodgers out of the World Series. He gets them to the playoffs then falls off the cliff.

As a betting man...I am willing to back Kershaw one more time. And, if I am Dave Roberts when facing Washington in the playoffs...I open with WOOD against Scherzer...and pitch Kershaw in the second game against Strasburg. Wood is having a better year than Kershaw up 'til now...and, being placed second might help in focusing Kershaw's "concentration" on the job at hand.

[Valuist]

Originally Posted by Jess Hawsen Arown

Quintana has shown flashes, but never completed the picture. They better win this year.

I think it was a great deal for the chisox.

I think you have this ass-backwards. Quintana has shown quite a bit. ERA of 3.51 or lower 4 straight years before this year, and playing for a bad team. One who's had some real weak defenses behind him. The Cubs defense, while not nearly as good as last year's historically good defense, is still far superior to the one on the South Side. The NL Central teams aren't familiar with him. And if the Cubs win the Central and advance to the playoffs, who are the likely opponents? Washington and the Dodgers, BOTH of whom have left handed heavy lineups,

The Cubs basically gave up one big time prospect in Jimenez, a possible good arm in Cease, and two low A league players. As for Jimenez, he's hitting .271 with a slugging % of .490. OK numbers, but that's at High A. We have no idea if he can hit MLB pitching.