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Old 12-05-2022, 02:15 PM   #1
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some jock stats

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for the last 12 months - pretty interesting - to me anyway



comes from the site alltheraces.com - they figure the amount in euros - I don't think that makes any difference


Flavien Prat - 966 races - won about 24% - betting $1 to win on him got you a loss of 17% on a win bet

Abel Cedillo - 697 races - 12.63% wins - $1 win bets caused a loss of 41%

Umberto Rispoli - 563 races - 16% wins - betting $1 to win on him caused a loss of 20.5%

Florent Geroux - 662 races - about 16% wins - betting $1 to win on him caused a loss of 31%


I'm not claiming that this is in any way authoritative


but you know a great jock such as Prat gets better mounts

but you would expect him and his better mounts to be bet down much more and that it would even the score

but it looks like that might not be the case



let's look at one more great jock:


Irad Ortiz - 1256 races - 24% wins - a $1 win bet caused a loss of 14.5%



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Old 12-05-2022, 03:33 PM   #2
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I think it all comes down to what trainers they
are riding for. When a horse wins, the trainer takes
all the credit and when a horse loses, the jockey
gets the blame.

Even when jockeys are riding well for a trainer, it
seems like the trainer is always looking for a
'hotter' jockey. There doesn't seem to be much
loyalty at all.

I suppose the money angle is just a reflection of
how good a jockey is politically at the moment.
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Old 12-05-2022, 04:49 PM   #3
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I wonder what Russell Baze's ROI was? I don't think anyone depressed a horse's odds like he did.
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Old 12-06-2022, 12:01 AM   #4
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I wonder what Russell Baze's ROI was? I don't think anyone depressed a horse's odds like he did.
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:09 PM   #5
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I wonder what Russell Baze's ROI was? I don't think anyone depressed a horse's odds like he did.

I looked up Baze's stats on Equibase

for his career - more than 53K races - he was in the money 56.5%

I believe overall the fave will be in the money 67%

I then looked at his last 50 races in which he was in the money 58% which is in line with his total career stats

I then found that he was on the fave in only 20 of those races

so, he's only on the fave 40% of the time and his in the money % is fairly close to the stat of all faves % in the money


that is truly spectacular





I wasn't able to find the R.O.I. of a person betting on just him



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Old 12-15-2022, 07:09 PM   #6
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How about Luis Saez? He gets mounts ITM.
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Old 12-18-2022, 08:35 AM   #8
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For about 4.5 years I have been logging the rides of jockeys whose odds are 4/1 or less in the morning at about 9am.
It is amazing how the POT or LOTurnover on some riders differ even though their win percentage is about the same.
There is no doubt some jockeys are under rated by the public and once you realise who they are and you watch their rides you wonder why you never noticed in the first place how good they actually are even though you respected them in the first place.
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