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06-14-2018, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by clicknow
did he actually say "if he runs again" or is that just editorial?
He needs to run, although who knows by that time what racegoers will think/feel.
According to DRF: "Handle for the Belmont Stakes this year, despite ideal weather, was $3 million less than American Pharoah’s Belmont, and $10.6 million lower than California Chrome’s. Television ratings for the race dipped 33 percent compared with the 2015 broadcast, and dropped 37 percent compared to the 2014 broadcast, according to figures released by NBC, the Triple Crown’s longtime broadcaster..."
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He did say "if he runs again", although Walden has since said he will.
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06-15-2018, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
FWIW Baffert said either the Travers or Pacific Classic, if he runs again.
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Either of those will be tough races to come back in.
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06-18-2018, 10:02 PM
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Justify is truly a throwback horse. He runs his race bounces back in a few days and is chopping at the bit to gallop/work. He appears to be getting better after six races in 112 days when conventional wisdom would dictate he should have thrown a clunker by now.
I think it will be on to the Haskell.
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06-20-2018, 10:20 AM
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GARY
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on to the Haskell
I vote for retirement.
If "J" swept any one or all three of the prestigious races, what is really
gained vs what is potentially lost.
Purse money is irrelevant for the ownership(60% of purses) ; sure, there is
about 7,000,000 dollars that would be passed up if Justify swept these three races but, why risk injuryand/or the horse based upon the syndicated value
of roughly 75,000,000?
Potential injury to this incredible TBred and adverse public outcry is the
last scenario the racing industry needs.
Sometimes less is really better, especially on this topic.
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06-20-2018, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by NY BRED
I vote for retirement.
If "J" swept any one or all three of the prestigious races, what is really
gained vs what is potentially lost.
Purse money is irrelevant for the ownership(60% of purses) ; sure, there is
about 7,000,000 dollars that would be passed up if Justify swept these three races but, why risk injuryand/or the horse based upon the syndicated value
of roughly 75,000,000?
Potential injury to this incredible TBred and adverse public outcry is the
last scenario the racing industry needs.
Sometimes less is really better, especially on this topic.
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And people wonder why the sport is dying.
This is why the only TC attempt I really rooted hard for was Funny Cide.
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06-20-2018, 06:25 PM
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GARY
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on to the Haskell
actually, Justify and AP may have generated new fans;aside from
these two incredible Tbreds winning the impossible dream, ie, the Triple Crown,their owners ,breeders and trainer are way more dynamic and fan friendly than previous
Triple Crown owners and tainers.
This forum is well versed with many of the low points of racing, so there is
a glimmer of hope for the future of racing. If the plan is to run Justified
in all of the remaining races discussed on the forum, and he loses,
I would believe the loss of new fans would be significant.
If he does run, my guess would be would be pointed strictly to the Breeders Cup.
peace....
Last edited by NY BRED; 06-20-2018 at 06:27 PM.
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06-20-2018, 08:35 PM
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On the bright side: If he doesn't run, will probably be a better 'betting race'. Kind of relegated to hoping to fit a long shot into a superfecta when Justify is 4/5 and the most likely winner.
'The game' would benefit from him running and headlining some big races.
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06-21-2018, 10:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NY BRED
I vote for retirement.
If "J" swept any one or all three of the prestigious races, what is really
gained vs what is potentially lost.
Purse money is irrelevant for the ownership(60% of purses) ; sure, there is
about 7,000,000 dollars that would be passed up if Justify swept these three races but, why risk injuryand/or the horse based upon the syndicated value
of roughly 75,000,000?
Potential injury to this incredible TBred and adverse public outcry is the
last scenario the racing industry needs.
Sometimes less is really better, especially on this topic.
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Honestly, other than the syndicate who owns the horse, why would you care about the horse's value at stud? What difference does it make to any of us what some holding company makes breeding the horse?
By your argument, let's retire all horses and end the sport so none of them get hurt.
People who think the way you do are why horse racing is dying.
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06-21-2018, 11:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NY BRED
I vote for retirement.
If "J" swept any one or all three of the prestigious races, what is really
gained vs what is potentially lost.
Purse money is irrelevant for the ownership(60% of purses) ; sure, there is
about 7,000,000 dollars that would be passed up if Justify swept these three races but, why risk injuryand/or the horse based upon the syndicated value
of roughly 75,000,000?
Potential injury to this incredible TBred and adverse public outcry is the
last scenario the racing industry needs.
Sometimes less is really better, especially on this topic.
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That's not syndicated value. That's an outright purchase value (but one that hasn't been verified).
But what risk are you talking about? He's got mortality insurance, so if he dies, they'll get the full value of him, so there is no risk there.
It's a bad idea to not race a horse just because it could possibly be injured. That's the case with all of them, every day, and no, Justify isn't any more special than any of them.
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06-21-2018, 11:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NY BRED
actually, Justify and AP may have generated new fans;aside from
these two incredible Tbreds winning the impossible dream, ie, the Triple Crown,their owners ,breeders and trainer are way more dynamic and fan friendly than previous
Triple Crown owners and tainers.
This forum is well versed with many of the low points of racing, so there is
a glimmer of hope for the future of racing. If the plan is to run Justified
in all of the remaining races discussed on the forum, and he loses,
I would believe the loss of new fans would be significant.
If he does run, my guess would be would be pointed strictly to the Breeders Cup.
peace....
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He'll lose fans (and a significant number of them) if he loses? Not a chance. And it's no big deal if he does. Of course he's pointed to the bc, but equally "of course" is that there will be other races prior to then, he won't be going into the bc without a prep.
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06-21-2018, 12:13 PM
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baffert seems to have a distaste for NYRA
he has lost his share of races there including American pharaoh in the travers. they had the dust up at the Belmont with the herding issue. with the fact that Monmouth seeds the Haskell with a check for the trainer tends to make me believe he will go to the Haskell in a comeback and the fact that he likes the front and that race and track have been very favorable to his his style contribute to that position.
he'd probably eye the breeders crown with a prep in between. no one has mentioned the Pegasus in the beginning of next year. there's a lot of money on the table here.
this is "horse racing" is it not? that's how stars are made. they shoulnt get in the mind set of "he may break down". the horse was bred to run races. as long as hes sound let him run races
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06-21-2018, 09:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1GCFAN
It was mentioned by the PARX guest on Dave Johnson's Down The Stretch last Saturday.
I think the owners will want to go to the Travers to prove it again to the East Coast doubters.
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My mistake, I guess. I seemed to remember some Parx official crowing about how incentives weren't needed anymore. We'll see.
Although I don't think there's much chance of him running there anyway, even with their incentives.
If the horse is healthy, he'll run again. They retired Smarty Jones after the Belmont but claimed he had some type of physical problem.
Retiring a healthy 3-yr-old in the middle of the year just doesn't happen ; they'd have a lot of splaining to do if it did.
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06-22-2018, 11:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnyp
he has lost his share of races there including American pharaoh in the travers. they had the dust up at the Belmont with the herding issue. with the fact that Monmouth seeds the Haskell with a check for the trainer tends to make me believe he will go to the Haskell in a comeback and the fact that he likes the front and that race and track have been very favorable to his his style contribute to that position.
he'd probably eye the breeders crown with a prep in between. no one has mentioned the Pegasus in the beginning of next year. there's a lot of money on the table here.
this is "horse racing" is it not? that's how stars are made. they shoulnt get in the mind set of "he may break down". the horse was bred to run races. as long as hes sound let him run races
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The Breeders Crown? They're gonna put a sulky on him?
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06-22-2018, 12:12 PM
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Saratoga and Del Mar *
LOL, the two surfaces that are most likely to foil him
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06-22-2018, 12:15 PM
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sorry
cup.
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