SCOTUS: another blow for freedom - Hobby Lobby and the ACA

[DJofSD]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...on-ruling.html

The U.S. Supreme Court dealt a blow to President Barack Obama’s health-care law, ruling that closely held companies can claim a religious exemption from the requirement that they offer birth-control coverage in their worker health plans.

Voting 5-4, the justices today sided with family-run businesses, including the craft-store chain Hobby Lobby Stores Inc., that say they regard some forms of contraception as immoral.

[horses4courses]

Every time we get further away from the Stone Age, we take a step back.

[BlueShoe]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

Every time we get further away from the Stone Age, we take a step back.

Yes, a step back toward the principles that the Founding Fathers gave us.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

Every time we get further away from the Stone Age, we take a step back.

Why do liberals believe that a woman's right to use birth control includes her right to have her employer pay for it?

Why doesn't my right to bear arms include my right to have my employer provide me with an assault weapon? And the right to carry it around the office?

Why doesn't my right to free speech grant me the right to publish anything I want in the company news letter or on the company web site?

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Why do liberals believe that a woman's right to use birth control includes her right to have her employer pay for it?

Why doesn't my right to bear arms include my right to have my employer provide me with an assault weapon? And the right to carry it around the office?

Why doesn't my right to free speech grant me the right to publish anything I want in the company news letter or on the company web site?

Well for one thing, a woman's right to have her birth control paid by you is in the Constitution, whereas the right to bear muskets and freedom of speech are not. Oh wait ...

[Robert Goren]

A giant step back for women. The way drug industry works with huge discounts for insurance plans and outrageously high prices for anyone who doesn't have insurance, this ruling basically makes taking the pill a lot higher expense for people who work places like Hobby Lobby.

I wonder how the owners of Hobby Lobby feel about the sinners on the pill when they walk in the door with their credit cards or suppliers who pay for their employees "sin pills". If their religious beliefs are that firmly held, they should not be able to business with them. It seems to their religious beliefs only apply when it is going to cost them money, not when it is going to make them money.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

Every time we get further away from the Stone Age, we take a step back.

How do you figure?
They provide many form of contraception, but they draw the line at this particular one. So you say now that people are no longer allowed to have their own beliefs? What about THEIR rights? Or aren't they hip enough for you cool libs? How many ways do you sick people need to murder babies?

[Tom]

A giant step back for women.

You have no clue what you are talking about, do you?

[DJofSD]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

A giant step back for women. The way drug industry works with huge discounts for insurance plans and outrageously high prices for anyone who doesn't have insurance, this ruling basically makes taking the pill a lot higher expense for people who work places like Hobby Lobby.

I wonder how the owners of Hobby Lobby feel about the sinners on the pill when they walk in the door with their credit cards or suppliers who pay for their employees "sin pills". If their religious beliefs are that firmly held, they should not be able to business with them. It seems to their religious beliefs only apply when it is going to cost them money, not when it is going to make them money.

If sexual freedom is so important to individual women, why do I have to pay for it, in any context? As far as I'm concerning this is not any different than your freedom to swing your fist ends at the end of my nose. Some day, the idea that freedom comes with duties and obligations will sink in, even for women that want to avoid the possible consequences of having sex -- in any context.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

It seems to their religious beliefs only apply when it is going to cost them money, not when it is going to make them money.

You need to get a new drum. You have worn out that old greedy capitalist drum from beating it perpetually.

Under ObamaCare, a plan with birth control and a plan without birth control costs the same. The objection is paying for a plan that provides birth control.

The way drug industry works with huge discounts for insurance plans and outrageously high prices for anyone who doesn't have insurance, this ruling basically makes taking the pill a lot higher expense for people who work places like Hobby Lobby.

You know this from your purchases of birth control pills? This has also been beaten to dead in testimony about this issue. WalMart sells generic birth control pills that cost $9 a month.



Of course, some people consider "free" to be a constitutional right.

[BlueShoe]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

A giant step back for women.

By what line of reasoning is the taxpayer obligated to pay for it every time some bimbo decides to spread her legs? That Sandra Fluke creature seems to be the poster child for this twisted logic, but most of us don't seem to get it.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Why do liberals believe that a woman's right to use birth control includes her right to have her employer pay for it?

No employer should be required to pay for contraceptives.

Unless they are pornographers.

[Tom]

What our resident libs here fail to mention here is that the are paying for 16 of the 20 birth control methods.

But why ruin a good rant with facts.
I guess libs do not have an understanding of someone having morals and standards is all about, so they just assume a knee-jerk reaction whatever the Mothership tells them is all they know.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Tom

But why ruin a good rant with facts.
I guess libs do not have an understanding of someone having morals and standards is all about, so they just assume a knee-jerk reaction whatever the Mothership tells them is all they know.

Their fall back argument is that Hobby Lobby is a corporation, and therefore cannot have morals and standards. According to the Borg, corporations are by definition greedy, immoral and unprincipled. Therefore the ruling is wrong, and SCOTUS once again finds that corporations are people.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by Tom

What our resident libs here fail to mention here is that the are paying for 16 of the 20 birth control methods.

But why ruin a good rant with facts.
I guess libs do not have an understanding of someone having morals and standards is all about, so they just assume a knee-jerk reaction whatever the Mothership tells them is all they know.

As Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote today

"The court, I fear, has ventured into a minefield."

This decision paves the way for all companies to play the "religious beliefs" card on a variety of issues.
Consequently, how can one religion be favored over another? This will get ugly fast.

This was a horrible decision, with far-reaching ramifications.